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There is a popular belief in Russia that mixing boiled and unboiled water (say, adding cold unboiled water to a cup of tea to cool it) can be dangerous for one's health, even if it is safe to drink both liquids apart.

Example of the claim:

Original, in Russian:

Не смешивай сырую и кипяченую воду! Бабушка была права. Почему смешивание кипяченой и сырой воды приводит к стремительному опорожнению кишечника - науке пока не очень ясно. Но факт налицо.

English Translation:

Do not mix raw and boiled water! Grandma was right. Just why mixing of boiled and raw water leads to a rapid emptying of the bowel, the science cannot explain yet. But the fact is obvious.

Is there some evidence for that?

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    I would love to just answer "No." and be done with it. I wonder if it is a warning that has come from [times when the unboiled water was *unsafe* to drink](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky) and people may have been warned against mixing unboiled (unsafe) water in with the boiled (safe) water - [a dangerous practice](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7751570). – Oddthinking Oct 16 '11 at 13:21
  • @Oddthinking: that's exactly what I was thinking about. Myriads of sites in Russian (including an unsourced entry in Wikipedia) suggest the opposite, mentioning "water memory", "nanostructure" and all kinds of urban myths these sites are supposed to mention. I wondered if there was any scientific research on that, however, this myth seems to be specific to Russia. – Quassnoi Oct 16 '11 at 14:34
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    @Oddthinking: that hypothesis does not fit with the second part of the claim "even if it is safe to drink both liquids apart". – nico Oct 16 '11 at 16:35
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    @Quassnoi - links or it didn't happen :) [ well, and I would like to see the exact details of the claims to see if there's specific research addressing precisely those claims. Doesn't matter if they are in russian or English ] – user5341 Oct 16 '11 at 19:04
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    The question of mixing boiled and unboiled water may be quite different than the question of adding cool water to a hot drink. The cool water may have effects on the non-water portions of a hot drink that it doesn't have on hot water alone. Although it still seems pretty far-fetched to me. – Flimzy Oct 16 '11 at 23:20
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    @nico: totally agree. I believe (provisionally) that the claim is preposterous. I am conjecturing how it may have been corrupted from a more reasonable one. – Oddthinking Oct 16 '11 at 23:45
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    @DVK: http://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C+%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%8F%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%8E+%D0%B8+%D1%81%D1%8B%D1%80%D1%83%D1%8E+%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83 Pick any reference you like, they're all the same: "I've heard you can't mix boiled and unboiled water, but don't know why". – Quassnoi Oct 17 '11 at 10:26
  • Thinking back to my days as a waiter at Denny's, I recall that pouring a fresh-brewed (hot) pot of tea into the tea dispenser filled with ice, would render the tea cloudy. Instead, we poured the hot tea in place, then added cold water _then_ ice, to avoid the cloudy appearance. I don't know that this made the tea unsafe, or even what caused it. Maybe Cooking.SE will know. – Flimzy Oct 17 '11 at 23:37
  • +1, I know lots of Russians that believe this, but it's more of a superstition than anything. "My grandmother told me never to do it..." type of thing. – ESultanik Mar 26 '12 at 14:38
  • @Sklivvz: From the question I can't really read that this has anything to do with _hygiene_ in the sense of keeping dangerous germs out - I think _health_ was more appropriate as a tag. – Hendrik Vogt Mar 26 '12 at 16:06
  • This is interesting. When the claim said "Raw", I didn't read it as cold or unboiled water, but actually as untreated water - the one just pulled out from a water well, for example. – T. Sar May 30 '16 at 19:37

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I am addressing the cited claim (not the different form stated at the top of the question)

Do not mix raw and boiled water! Grandma was right. Just why mixing of boiled and raw water leads to a rapid emptying of the bowel, the science cannot explain yet. But the fact is obvious.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) recommend that water be raised to a temperature of 100° C for 60 seconds in order to kill off bacteria and viruses.

When you pour water at 100° C into a cold container such as a cup (or teapot) at 20° C, the water reduces in temperature to about 80° C by the time you've finished pouring (I've measured this but have no reference at the moment)

Studies in the UK have found that the average temperature for drinking tea is between 56° and 60° C

Clearly, if you add cold unboiled water to the cup of 80° C water in order to reduce the mixtures temperature to 60° C, that new water is not going to be raised to 100° C for 60 seconds. Therefore any bacteria it contains (if any) may not be killed and may lead to an illness such as the diarrhoea suggested in the question.

Science has no problem explaining this commonsense advice for people with unsafe water supplies. The difficulty in comprehension only arises when the claim is over simplified and separated from its context.

It is not the mixing of cold and hot water that creates a health threat out of nothing. It is the failure to follow a sterilization procedure that would treat an existing health threat.

Some travel advisors say

Russia Travel Health Tip: Don't Drink the Tap Water. Even locals do not drink the tap water in Russia. Tap water may be even more dangerous for foreigners. Not only will it contain elements that a traveler's body may be unused to, it also may also cause diseases due to being improperly sanitized."

This suggests that the safety of drinking water may be a subject of concern to Russian citizens to a greater extent than in countries where laws successfully require tap water to be safe for drinking.


mixing boiled and unboiled water can be dangerous for one's health, even if it is safe to drink both liquids apart.

The question contains no citation for any claim with that proviso.

To support this claim you'd need something like a study that takes two containers of water, one boiled one unboiled, and tests three groups of people (with significant numbers in each)

  • a group that drinks only a cup of the boiled water
  • a group that drinks only a cup of the unboiled water
  • a group that drinks only a cup of mixed water (say 50/50)

To support the claim, the third group would have to show a statistically significantly higher incidence of health problems than either of the other groups.

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  • Good, plausible analysis I'd say. I might be tempted to add some (wikipedia) links about the availability of clean water over time just to hold off the no-link warning. – matt_black Oct 05 '12 at 14:32
  • @matt: I've made a stab at this but I don't have much info, please feel free to add references. – RedGrittyBrick Oct 05 '12 at 15:27