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The Finnish website pelastustoimi advises to listen to the radio in the event of smelling gas.

If you are already indoors and smell gas

  • put a wet cloth in front of your mouth and breathe through it
  • go upstairs and stay there if possible
  • stay calm, listen to the radio and wait until the danger is over

Given that certain gases can explode and that radios might give off a spark that ignites the gas, should you actually use any electric device (including the radio) when smelling gas?

Tanner Swett
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infinitezero
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  • I honestly could not figure out where to put this question, but this site seemed most suitable to me, because it is a notable claim and I'm skeptic about it. – infinitezero May 08 '23 at 09:16
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    I guess you listen to the radio for the announcement that the danger is over? – GEdgar May 08 '23 at 09:29
  • It's not a claim, it's suggestion. – pipe May 08 '23 at 09:30
  • @GEdgar why yes. However, what if listening to the radio will kill me because it sets off an explosion? – infinitezero May 08 '23 at 09:36
  • @pipe So can I only ask about claims and not suggestions here? The line seems kind of blurry to me. – infinitezero May 08 '23 at 09:36
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    The website indicates that the content is an 'instruction' by the Ministry of the Interior, a Government body. One has to assume that the 'instruction' is founded on a 'claim' that the instruction is valid. And since a Government Body is 'publishing' the 'instruction' (founded upon a claim) then that claim has been well received . . . . and one may choose to be skeptical of said claim. – Nigel J May 08 '23 at 10:32
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    This advice is obviously for a chemical leak that occurred outside of the house (e.g., a leak at a chemical plant), as opposed to a gas leak that occurred inside the house (e.g., a break in a natural gas pipeline, or a gas stove that is leaking). In the case of the latter you will smell a very strong rotten egg smell. Get out. In the case of the former you will smell something rather foul but not a rotten egg smell. Stay inside. – David Hammen May 08 '23 at 12:36
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    @DavidHammen: Please don't use this site to give unreferenced advice. – Oddthinking May 08 '23 at 14:51
  • Aren’t most people’s radios on their phones nowadays, anyway? – Janus Bahs Jacquet May 09 '23 at 03:20
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    @JanusBahsJacquet A rapidly heating li/ion battery or any other rapidly heating component caused by the high power consumption of a phone, is much more likely to trigger an explosion inside an explosive environment than an old FM radio. Phones are not approved or designed for use in such environments. (Technical requirements for designing electronics inside explosive atmospheres are described in IEC/EN 60079.) – Lundin May 09 '23 at 13:09
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    As for a radio setting off an explosion, the most common route is for a radio *transmitter* to trigger a sensitive *blasting cap*. A radio receiver is unlikely to generate a spark large enough to cause an explosion. If the concern is about a battery causing a spark, then this would apply to *any* electronic device, not just a radio. FYI, the spark ignitors on a gas stove generate 15000 volts. It's hard to imagine how to generate that much voltage from a radio receiver malfunction. And then you would have to have two simultaneous failures: a gas leak and a haunted radio. – Mark Lakata May 09 '23 at 18:46
  • Well, I think much better advise would be to go upstairs and listen to a little [T.Rex](https://youtu.be/sA2fW2IS6gk?t=23) – tomd May 11 '23 at 10:32
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    A big old vacuum-tube radio powered by AC house electricity might create a spark at the contacts of the on-off switch if it was turned on or off during a gas leak. – Michael Harvey May 11 '23 at 13:53
  • @MarkLakata, what Micheal Harvay said, and in addition even small transistorized radio could generate (much smaller) sparks between the on-off contacts of the power switch (if they have one and not one of those standby "soft" switches). This is particularly true if the radio has a somewhat powerful audio amplifier driving a loudspeaker. These require big capacitors (in the power supply and in the audio stage) that draw a lot of current at switch-on, causing quite high current pulses (inrush current) that can in turn cause sparks at the switch contacts. – LorenzoDonati4Ukraine-OnStrike May 11 '23 at 15:54

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The Finnish website pelastustoimi advises to listen to the radio in the event of smelling gas.

Yes, but that needs to be put into context. As stated, one might think this is what one should do if one happens to smell gas in one's home. But it isn't. (In that situation one should immediately leave the building and phone the appropriate authorities.)

This is the actual message:

In hazardous situations and emergencies, the authorities warn the public of a direct and imminent danger to the population with a general alarm signal and an emergency warning. …

An alarm signal is sounded in the event of a gas leak or radiation hazard

In the event of a gas leak, follow the instructions above, but also note the following:

If you are already indoors and smell gas

  • put a wet cloth in front of your mouth and breathe through it
  • go upstairs and stay there if possible
  • stay calm, listen to the radio and wait until the danger is over

If you are outdoors and cannot go inside

  • move in a crosswind direction to try and get away from the gas cloud
  • go to a location that is as high as possible, such as a hilltop
  • put wet clothing, grass, peat or moss in front of your mouth and breathe through it

This is in no way talking about if one happens to smell gas in one's home.

This is saying if there is a general emergency warning about a massive gas leak and you happen to be able to smell it yourself while indoors, then stay indoors, take appropriate precautions, and listen to the radio for further advice.

radios might give off a spark that ignites the gas

Not likely, but possibly true for old radios with mechanical switches directly on the incoming power supply.

But if the gas is originating from outdoors, the concentration that leaks into the building will be much lower that is needed for ignition. It's only if the leak occurs within one's own building that such concentrations could occur.

The answer to the literal question "Is it actually advisable to listen to the radio when smelling gas?" is "No".

Had the question been "Is it advisable to listen to the radio after hearing the public emergency sirens?", the answer would be "Yes".

There's nothing to be skeptical about here.

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This advice is obviously for a chemical leak that occurred outside of the house (e.g., a leak at a chemical plant), as opposed to a natural gas leak that occurred inside the house (e.g., a break in a natural gas pipeline inside ones house, or a gas stove that is leaking). In the case of the latter you will smell a very strong rotten egg smell. The rotten egg smell comes from an additive that intentionally makes the normally odorless natural gas stink badly. Get outside and phone the appropriate authorities. Your house may quickly go up in flames.

In the case of the former, which is what the referenced advice is about, you will smell something foul, but not that rotten egg smell. Get inside, or stay inside. The hazardous gas is likely to be more concentrated outside the house compared to inside the house.

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  • Also it isn't common in Finland to have gas pipes inside houses. Gas stoves are mostly a thing of the past unless one lives in a very old apartment. – Lundin May 09 '23 at 13:03
  • @Lundin Regarding gas stoves being phased out in Finland, that's sad. I never enjoyed cooking on the electric stovetop range, all the food sticks to the pan. Fortunately gas stoves are not going away here - we signed a bill to prevent that. – john May 10 '23 at 05:13
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    @john Apart from the gas leak risk, it's also a geopolitical thing. Not everyone likes to pay a fee to Russia each time they cook dinner. – Lundin May 10 '23 at 07:41
  • @john Cooking electric stovetops require somewhat different cooking techniques and you need to practice them. Moreover you need suitable cookware, because pans and pots with a thin base are not suitable and may lead to the issue you mention. On the bright side electric stovetops are way more efficient energywise (not necessarily for your wallet, though, because it depends on the gas price you are charged, but the environment will thank you). – LorenzoDonati4Ukraine-OnStrike May 11 '23 at 16:08