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Some numerologists claim that the mathematical constants e and π are encoded in the Bible via gematria.

For example, blogger Joe Vasta argues that Genesis 1:1 encodes 3.141554508×1017.

The value of π is approximately 3.14159.

He argues that John 1:1 encodes 2.718312812×1040.

The value of e is approximately 2.71828.

He suggests:

perhaps the Bible is the inspired word of God, and this is just a “fingerprint” found in the verses.

There are similar claims about the Quran encoding the Golden Ratio.

I have seen this come up in forums before, commenting on it being ridiculous and it's just within our nature to pattern match whenever we can which is plausible, but I don't really get why it is so, which is where I need help understanding.

Are the constants encoded in the Bible? Is this more than just a coincidence?

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    Welcome to Skeptics.SE! Can you clarify what exactly the claim is? Are you asking whether Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 were intentionally written to have letters-per-word ratios of pi and e respectively? – F1Krazy Aug 09 '22 at 14:36
  • Yes, sorry for not being clear enough – XLVII Aug 09 '22 at 14:37
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    When you say "I don't really get why it is so", do you mean "I don't really get why it is human nature to find patterns", or "I don't really get why this pattern is not significant", or something else? In general, numerology isn't easy to "disprove", because it's not really making a claim, just an observation. Put the numbers into a different arbitrary equation, and you'll get a different, less interesting number; pick a different sentence, and a different equation, and you might get even closer to Pi, or [Tau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_(angle)#Tau_proposals), or something else. – IMSoP Aug 09 '22 at 16:54
  • Related questions: [Quran predicts speed of light](https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/20650/23), [Quran predicts moon landing](https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/32769/do-quran-verse-counts-correspond-to-the-moon-landing-date-and-take-off-time-fro) there are more postdiction questions, but these rely on gematria/Bible codes/etc. – Oddthinking Aug 10 '22 at 00:16
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    Reminder to commenters and answerers: It is not enough for you to say "Oh, I bet there are other numbers you can find." "Oh, I bet this is a coincidence." "Oh, I don't find this surprising." because you need references to empirical evidence or why would we trust you? – Oddthinking Aug 10 '22 at 04:18
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    Can you quote from their arguments, so I don't have to read the PDFs? – Bernhard Döbler Aug 10 '22 at 11:17
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    Does this answer your question? [Are these occurences of the mathematical constants e and pi in The Bible at all exceptional?](https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/44376/are-these-occurences-of-the-mathematical-constants-e-and-pi-in-the-bible-at-all) – rchard2scout Aug 10 '22 at 12:30
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    Besides: The division of the text into "verses" was done only in 1448 (O.T.) or 1555 (N.T.). https://www.gotquestions.org/divided-Bible-chapters-verses.html And were there even spaces between words in the ancient text of Genesis? – GEdgar Aug 11 '22 at 00:58
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    I find it funny to think that Hebrew or Greek letters being assigned numerical values, after put through some mathematical operations, are supposed to give out a couple of digits of pi and e *in decimals*, when neither ancient Hebrews nor ancient Greeks used a decimal system. In other words, the Lord encoded this in a way that could never have been noticed by anyone in his target audience before ca. 1600 AD. – Torsten Schoeneberg Aug 11 '22 at 03:54
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    dupe of https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/44376/are-these-occurences-of-the-mathematical-constants-e-and-pi-in-the-bible-at-all?noredirect=1&lq=1? – Sklivvz Aug 11 '22 at 09:37
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    @Sklivvz: That one is was closed by the community for unclear reasons. – Oddthinking Aug 11 '22 at 10:09
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    Dear new visitors from the Hot Network Questions List, [Welcome!](https://skeptics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1505/) This answer is attracting a lot of poor-quality answers and comments. Please read that link. Your answer should show, with references, whether the formula works as stated, and then (perhaps) argue whether it is a coincidence. – Oddthinking Aug 11 '22 at 10:12
  • @Oddthinking "Unclear reasons" as in: 'from the community' or for 'being unclear' (I read that clear dupe being closed for non-notable/wrong site)? // As most stacks go, this should have been closed in any case, as the dupe is an _exact one_, going back to the exact same source of claim, with the dupe even giving a much better quote from the material (see complaints for that in the comments above here). Curious: Do any answers on dupe or here satisfy your formal requirements for S:SE-asnwers? – LangLаngС Aug 13 '22 at 13:24
  • @LangLаngС: Unclear as in: I personally cannot characterise what is wrong with the question that caused the community to close it. And no, the answers to the 2019 question aren't good either. – Oddthinking Aug 13 '22 at 14:53
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    And I always thought it's the other way round. The Bible but also more profane texts like _my last salary statement_ or _Shakespeare’s Cardenio_ - properly de-/encoded - appear in π ... somewhere. – klanomath Aug 13 '22 at 21:54
  • @klanomath Sadly, that turns out to be [hard to prove](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi#Irrationality_and_normality) – pipe Dec 11 '22 at 16:48
  • These numbers are wrong on the fourth and fifth decimal. I'd expect god to encode this with slightly higher precision. Say the first 100 digits of pi. Or if you read "Contact" there it is claimed that things are encoded in the base-11 representation of pi. Not in some text, but in the number itself. Now _that_ would be a miracle. And impossible. – gnasher729 Dec 12 '22 at 12:05

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Are the mathematical constants e and pi encoded into the Bible?

Based on the provided evidence,

NO.

Disclaimer of bias: I consider myself a Christian who believes that the Bible is divinely inspired. I admit that if these numerical values were encoded into the Bible before they were known to the mathematical community, this would be an impressive piece of evidence for divine inspiration. So I might hope that a claim like this is correct. But it isn't.

The issue here is that the method of encoding presented is entirely and completely arbitrary. At no point does the author justify how he selected various methods of calculation. Consequently, as Dan Romik points out in his answer elsewhere on this page, this method suffers from the research degree of freedom problem.

Consider his method of equating numbers with letters. This method, as pointed out by David K and LangLangC (thanks y'all) is native to the Greek alphabet; however, it was not adopted into the Hebrew alphabet until long after the book of Genesis was written, and would not make sense to apply to the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1. One could argue that God would know the future, and consequently place the verse in such a way as to be decoded in the future. However, Joe Vasta goes on to make clearly arbitrary decisions in his line of reasoning.

Consider the expression that he uses to create the values similar to pi and e: (number of letters)(product of letters)/(number of words)(product of words) Why did he select this combination of multiplication, division, and summing? No explanation is provided.

Now consider that the resulting numbers only match pi and e if you divide by 10^17 and 10^40, respectively. Why are these values different? On what basis are they the "right" numbers to divide by to get the "right" mathematical constants? No explanation is provided.

Now consider that in the original Greek and Hebrew Bibles, there were no chapters and verses! No Christian that I know of claims that the modern divisions of chapters and verses is divinely inspired. They are simply arbitrary markers for ease of navigation. See Kurt and Barbara Aland, The Text of the New Testament and Ernst Würthwein, The Text of the Old Testament.

With so many arbitrary choices, it is possible to claim to find encoded messages anywhere. For proof of this, take a look at my tongue-in-cheek response to a puzzle on Puzzling.SE. I managed to find a "secret message" within the first few digits of pi itself, with the exact same arbitrary way of thinking.

To conclude, due to the apparently arbitrary operations performed, there is no evidence that finding pi and e in this manner is a remarkable or miraculous occurrence. I suspect (but cannot prove) that this is simply a man with too much time to devote to trial and error mathematical calculations.

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    It's well documented that the Greek and Hebrew letters have been assigned numeric values 1 through 10, then 20, 30, etc. There are standard equivalences (I didn't check to see if the ones in the claim were standard). I point this out in particular because I have no disagreement with anything else in the answer. – David K Aug 10 '22 at 05:07
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    Please update that part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet#Numeric_values_of_letters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet#Use_as_numerals – LangLаngС Aug 10 '22 at 05:11
  • DavidK and LangLangC fixed; thank you – Brandon_J Aug 10 '22 at 05:24
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    “ The issue here is the method of encoding is entirely and completely arbitrary.” you can’t just assert that, you have to prove it. I think it is not a coincidence that the final equation involves four numbers and is correct to four digits (Hebrew to 5, Greek to just 4). I actually think this question is better suited for the math stack exchange because you probably can prove the space of operations is large enough to produce a result for any two texts of a minimum length – FifthArrow Aug 10 '22 at 10:33
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    Unfortunately, this just isn't a skeptics-site answer. See my comments to moto. – Fattie Aug 10 '22 at 12:48
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    "however, it was not adopted into the Hebrew alphabet until long after the book of Genesis was written" -- but God presumably knows the future, so why couldn't he use an encoding that won't be decodable until after this adoption? – Barmar Aug 10 '22 at 13:20
  • Wiki says that there's no consensus which preceded: Greek or Hebrew gematria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria#:~:text=There%20is%20currently%20no%20academic%20consensus%20over%20whether%20Hebrew%20gematria%20or%20Greek%20isopsephy%20was%20used%20first – Reinstate Monica Aug 10 '22 at 19:33
  • You imply that these mathematical constants were not known before the Hebrew bible was written. While this is true for *e* (1683), π has been known for almost 4,000 years - 800-2,000 years before the Old Testament. – Dale M Aug 10 '22 at 23:35
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    @DaleM According to [this site](https://www.exploratorium.edu/pi/history-of-pi), pi was not estimated to a value more accurate than 3.16 until Archimedes, well after the book of Genesis was written. – Brandon_J Aug 10 '22 at 23:41
  • @Brandon_J Archimedes is, I believe, the first surviving calculation but there are Babylonian tablets equivalent to 3 decimal places and Egyptians used one accurate 4. https://www.exploratorium.edu/pi/history-of-pi – Dale M Aug 10 '22 at 23:46
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    But those values aren't accurate to 3 or 4 decimal places. They're accurate to one decimal place. – Brandon_J Aug 10 '22 at 23:50
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    Re: "Now consider that in the original Greek and Hebrew Bibles, there were no chapters and verses!": This is true to a point, but it doesn't mean what you're suggesting. The first verse of the book of Genesis and the first verse of the book of John are both well-defined (and of particular significance) whether or not they're known as "Genesis 1:1" and "John 1:1", and even though there are other places in the Bible where the division into verses is not so unanimously agreed upon. – ruakh Aug 11 '22 at 00:51
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    @ruakh I would disagree, and argue the following. John's "In the beginning was the Word" mirrors Genesis's "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" and then "And the word was with God, and the Word was God" mirrors "and the earth was without form and void." Precise correlation could be argued, but I don't believe that they are so well defined as to indicate that the verses are completely parallel. – Brandon_J Aug 11 '22 at 01:41
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    In your puzzling answer you arbitrarily chose a monoalphabetic substitution from a set of 26!/(26-13)! and then a permutation from a set of 20!/3!/(2!)^5 (accounting for repeated letters). This is roughly 2^109 options. Your message (20 letters) was chosen from a set of roughly 2^94 options, so it's not surprising that you were able to find it. The author of the PDF did not invent the algorithm for converting letters to numbers, and it's unlikely that they tested more than 500 different formulas. The coincidence still seems surprising even if you account for unexplained numbers 17 and 40. – the default. Aug 12 '22 at 07:41
  • Claiming the formula isn't in the bible doesn't prove anything. But it does create an interesting challenge to find it. – David Nov 16 '22 at 07:43
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I've not seen anything directly addressing Vasta's claim. But this feels rather like a case of the well known phenomenon Apophenia - which is the human tendency to attribute significance to otherwise random data.

The text of the bible verses used here aren't exactly random data - but applying a fairly arbitrary numerical value to them, then applying an even more arbitrary mathematical operation to them which then gives two numbers (and by their nature will generate fairly large numbers), and then seeing similarities between the digit sequences of those numbers and the digit sequences of two numbers whose very nature as irrational numbers basically ensures you'll be able to find a similar digit sequence. e and π aren't random data either but for Apophenia purposes they might as well be.

The reason I focus on digit sequences there rather than actual numeric values is because despite Vasta's claim when comparing π to Genesis that:

The absolute error is less than 0.00004

it is nothing of the sort - the number he calculated for Genesis 1:1 was 17 orders of magnitude larger than π and for e it was 40 orders of magnitude larger!

So all they really found encoded were 4 to 5 digit long sequences that matched. It sounds cool - but I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find a similar level of "encoding" of these irrational numbers in many works of text of sufficient size.

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    This may be pedantry, but I am having trouble ascribing this to [apophenia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia) which is defined as "the *unmotivated* seeing of connections [...]". These numerologists have had to go to some effort to cherry-pick these answers, selecting from dozens or hundreds of potential [Bible Code](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code) formula, and discarding tens of thousands of other verses in the Bible that gave random results, and picking from dozens of potential constants, to get two examples. Ascribing motivation is hard, but this doesn't seem unconscious. – Oddthinking Aug 10 '22 at 00:09
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    @DenisS John 1:1 is definitely the New Testament corollary to Genesis 1:1 though, due to its content. – Nacht Aug 10 '22 at 06:25
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    @Oddthinking true the "unmotivated" aspect refers to Conrad's coining of the word in the context of schizophrenia but it's applicability has broadened somewhat – motosubatsu Aug 10 '22 at 07:57
  • (the "17 orders" comment is totally fatuous. "IF" this was a message, it would be irrelevant where the decimal point is.) – Fattie Aug 10 '22 at 12:41
  • The "apophenia" mention here is totally wrong. The number "3.141554508" IS IN FACT close to, it does "look like" pi. if I showed any numerate person that number, they would correctly say (as the article does) "huh, that's very close to pi". – Fattie Aug 10 '22 at 12:43
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    Unfortunately moto this answer is "no good at all" in a skeptics sense. All you are saying (as you state in the final para) is that: you happen to think that, if we did the arithmetic process in question, on many texts, your sheer guess is that the coincidence mentioned by the writer, would not appear surprising. It's just not a skeptics site answer. – Fattie Aug 10 '22 at 12:44
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    @Fattie But the number is not 3.141554508, it is 314,155,450,800,000,000 - which as moto points out is a LONG way from pi. – Martin Bonner supports Monica Aug 10 '22 at 14:07
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    @Fattie It's not a sheer guess, it's basic probability. Pick any 50 random letters for this. Then the number of sequential combinations of letters is 50 factorial, which is 3.04*10^64. If we assume the formula is reasonably random (which it is), then the odds of ***not*** finding any given 6-digit number are 3 in 10^59! That's close enough to certainty. :) – Graham Aug 10 '22 at 15:47
  • @Graham but this is not "50 random letters", these are the first sentences of the Old and New testaments. Neither of them was written the author of the PDF. The tables for converting letters to numbers, while random, weren't created by the author either. The author only chose the `(number of letters)(product of letters)/(number of words)(product of words)` formula and noticed the constants 17 and 40 (which are not random - they're the only exponents that ensure the result has the correct order of magnitude, which makes them *the most obvious option* when seeing numbers like 3.141554508e17) – the default. Aug 12 '22 at 07:56
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    @thedefault. "constants 17 and 40 (which are not random - they're the only exponents that ensure the result has the correct order of magnitude". First of all that's a curious line of argument ("there's only one power of 10 such that division by it makes the result match what I want, so this power must have a special significance"), and then, why *powers of 10* a.k.a. scientific notation, which were never in use in ancient Judea or Greece? Has the author or have you checked what the result is "close to" up to some power of 2? 3? 12? 16? 60? – Torsten Schoeneberg Aug 12 '22 at 19:14
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    @thedefault. You've missed the point. *Any* 50 characters, used with *any* encoding scheme that (like this one) gives a large random output, is basically guaranteed to have this within it through simple probability. – Graham Aug 13 '22 at 10:26
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Let's judge this discovery by the standards of scientific research, and note two major flaws with Vasta's thesis:

  1. He has not provided statistical analysis that supports the hypothesis that this numerological observation is anything more than pure coincidence.

  2. He offers no explanation for why any of the many choices he made on the path to the discovery (e.g., which bible verses to look at, how to encode them into numbers, what mathematical formula to plug those numbers into to produce an approximation of a mathematical constant, which mathematical constant to look for, why look for a mathematical constant in the first place, etc) are logical ones rather than being completely arbitrary.

Each of these flaws is, independently of the other, a complete deal-breaker as far as what it means for getting serious people to accept the "bible encodes e and pi" hypothesis as even remotely credible. For the first one: without a statistical analysis, what makes this observation any more unusual than, say, "I saw a rainbow while driving to work today, and it was shining directly on the church on the top of the hill"? (To which a skeptic might counter, "Well, I saw a cloud today and it was casting a shadow directly on the same church. And from where I was looking, the cloud looked live the devil with two horns!")

The second flaw is arguably worse than the first one, and its presence would make even a sophisticated statistical analysis highly suspect and possibly invalid. The issue here is that Vasta has taken advantage of what is known as researcher degrees of freedom. As Wikipedia explains:

The term reflects the fact that researchers can choose between multiple ways of collecting and analyzing data, and these decisions can be made either arbitrarily or because they, unlike other possible choices, produce a positive and statistically significant result. As such, researcher degrees of freedom are often related to data dredging and other questionable research practices. Their widespread use represents an inherent methodological limitation in scientific research, and contributes to an inflated rate of false-positive findings.

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Steegen et al. (2016) showed how, starting from a single raw data set, applying different reasonable data processing decisions can give rise to a multitude of processed data sets (called the data multiverse), often leading to different statistical results.

Based on these issues, it's clear that Vasta's observation could not be published in any serious scientific peer-reviewed journal. Now, you might say that this criticism is unfair because the standards for scientific publication are too high. But is science really the only area in which we hold people's claims to high standards of evidence? Consider:

  1. Would you let your child take a medication whose efficacy was supported by an "analysis" like Joe Vasta's? Would the FDA ever consider approving such a medication for public use?

  2. If you were serving on a jury, would you vote to convict a person accused of a crime when the evidence of guilt was of a similar vein to what Vasta is presenting? E.g.: "I urge you to find Mr. Jones guilty today, based on the fact that the product of the digits of his phone number and the digits of the murder victim's phone number, plus the sum of their social security numbers, is a decent approximation of the square root of 2. Can this be a coincidence? Surely not!"

  3. Would you believe a car salesman, or anyone else for that matter, who tried to convince you to buy a product or give money for something based on claims supported by evidence like Vasta's? Etc.

Bottom line: the burden of proof lies on the person making an extraordinary claim to provide convincing evidence for the claim. Vasta has not done so.

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    "Reaearcher degrees of freedom" Thank you!! I knew there was a term for this and I could not recall it. – Brandon_J Aug 10 '22 at 21:10
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    @Brandon_J a related term is [data dredging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_dredging), which is roughly speaking the practice of using the researcher degrees of freedom intentionally to come up with hypotheses that seem statistically significant when researcher degrees of freedom are ignored. – Dan Romik Aug 10 '22 at 23:54
  • Thanks, Dan. I have decided not to include data dredging in my answer because it is already fairly lengthy. You seem absolutely correct, though. – Brandon_J Aug 10 '22 at 23:56
  • "*which bible verses to look at*" was hardly cherry picking from random chance. Each one is the very first verse in the Testament. Both verses start with the same three words. – Ray Butterworth Aug 13 '22 at 01:24
  • @RayButterworth thank you for implicitly acknowledging that all my other arguments are valid. :-) – Dan Romik Aug 13 '22 at 04:20
  • @RayButterworth Except they do not. Genesis is in Hebrew. John is in Koine Greek. The word order in each of those respective languages is not the same as the word order in proper English syntax. – Michael C Aug 18 '22 at 09:53
  • @MichaelC, The Hebrew begins with "… בְּרֵאשִׁית", where "בְּ" is a prefix meaning "in" and "רֵאשִׁית" means "beginning". The Greek begins with "ἐνἀρχῇ …", where "ἐν" means "in" and "ἀρχῇ" means "beginning". That's the same word order and syntax in both languages. And as a bonus coincidence, both nouns have feminine gender. – Ray Butterworth Aug 18 '22 at 12:40
  • @RayButterworth רֵאשִׁית can be just as accurately translated "first" and בְּ is a preposition that could just as easily mean "at". The shade of meaning of ἀρχῇ is more along the lines of "chief" or "preeminent", and seems to be addressing the eternal preexistence of the logos, not the start of the temporal creation. Neither includes an article ("the"). Insisting both have the same meaning is a real stretch unless one assumes all other languages are just different words for thinking in English, which of course is ridiculous. – Michael C Aug 18 '22 at 17:21
  • @MichaelC says "*Insisting both have the same meaning is a real stretch*". Not really. Consider the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible made 300 years before John. Its translation of Genesis 1:1 begins with "ἐνἀρχῇ". This means that some of the greatest Hebrew scholars of the time thought that that was the best way to express the meaning of the Hebrew word in Greek. John would have been very familiar with this translation, and his choice of Greek words can hardly have been anything but deliberate. So forget about any English meanings; the Jewish scholars chose "ἐνἀρχῇ". – Ray Butterworth Aug 18 '22 at 21:02
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You might be interested in this website, which in particular shows that the kind of 'bible code' rules that people like to use can be applied to any sufficiently long text such as to Moby Dick to find related words for essentially anything you want.

Also, simple mathematical analysis invariably dispels this mystery. Just for example, if your desired word is k letters, and your text has n letters from an alphabet of size c, the number of ways to pick an arithmetic progression of k indices (such as those bible codes in the linked website) is at least (n/2)·(n/2k) (i.e. pick the first index from the first half and then pick the distance between the first two indices), so you have n^2/4k possible choices and ought to expect to see your desired word roughly (n^2/4k)/c^k times, as a first-order estimation (ignoring the letter frequency distribution). For (k,n,c) = (7,10^6,26), we have (n^2/4k)/c^k ≈ 4.

For vague or unspecified rules, such as in your case, the correct way to analyze the phenomenon is to understand Kolmogorov complexity, which is an essentially objective way to measure how much information is encoded into a proposed explanation of some pattern. Informally, if the specification of the rule itself takes m characters, then it should be completely unsurprising if the rule generates a pattern of only m characters.

K-complexity is a mathematically precise form of Occam's razor, where we can define comparison between two hypotheses for some data that are each given by a program, simply by favouring the shorter program. This notion is truly objective in the sense that, if the correct explanation can be captured by a program, then once you have sufficiently large amount of data, you will eventually stabilize on favouring the correct explanation. To get the most out of this even for not that much data, use a general-purpose programming language such as Python.

Many people underestimate how long a pattern must be in order for a proposed explanation to be favoured by this K-complexity-based analysis. For example, see this post showing that the pattern of primes is probably favoured only given a rather long initial segment, in particular long enough for the desired program to check primality to win other programs.

We cannot directly apply this to your question, because there is simply too little data generated by the proposed rule. In particular, the claim is that some text encodes some data, and the rule to retrieve it must be simple enough that it actually shows that the output was really encoded in the text and not in the rule! With this in mind, the cited achievement of these numerologists is utterly disappointing. They only managed to recover 6 decimal digits despite injecting a huge amount of gematria!

We can still apply K-complexity in the following way. Since the claim is that some text T is special, and there is a rule to retrieve some data from T, then there must be a program P and parameters given by S such that:

  1. P(S,T) is the desired data (e.g. first m digits of π).
  2. S is very short. (It had better be shorter than m!)
  3. P(S',T') is not the desired data for any other text T' and short S'.

Clearly, you can achieve such a thing if your P is complicated enough (e.g. using gematria in an over-fitting sense). So the true challenge is to find such (P,S) with P having minimum length. To invalidate the numerology, it suffices to find some (P',S') with length(P') ≤ length(P) that produces the desired data from a different text, as it would demonstrate that the numerology captured by P fails to support the claim that T is special. jpa's answer can be viewed as an instance of this kind of invalidation!

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    You asked about my answer being deleted. It was deleted by @Oddthinking due to the long-standing Skeptics policy of math being unverifiable. To be honest I expected that to happen, it was just too fun to pass by. Here is the text: http://paste.dy.fi/RnA/plain – jpa Aug 11 '22 at 16:33