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Dr. Leana Wen, president of Planned Parenthood, has repeatedly said that thousands of women died every year as a result of abortions prior to Roe v. Wade:

We face a real situation where Roe could be overturned. And we know what will happen, which is that women will die. Thousands of women died every year pre-Roe.

Interview with WFAA, March 6, 2019

Before Roe v. Wade, thousands of women died every year — and because of extreme attacks on safe, legal abortion care, this could happen again right here in America.

Tweet from personal account, April 24, 2019

We’re not going to go back in time to a time before Roe when thousands of women died every year because they didn’t have access to essential health care.

Interview Morning Joe, May 22, 2019

I presume that she is speaking specifically about:

  • American women, since Roe v. Wade was decided by the US Supreme Court, which only has jurisdiction in that country
  • Illegal (and likely unsafe) abortions, since the effect of Roe v. Wade was to overturn laws making abortions illegal

Is her claim true? Did thousands of women die every year due to illegal abortions before Roe v. Wade?

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    Could be a classic example of legal-ese, though I'd hope an advocate would not be that cynically underhanded. Note that in none of her quotes is the completion of what was implied - "from abortions." Thousands of women die every year. Period. Women dying from not having access to essential health care is only very partially connected to illegal vs legalized abortions. – PoloHoleSet May 30 '19 at 20:24
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    It needs to be noted that the accessibility of abortions varied widely prior to Roe V Wade. While they were nominally prohibited in most jurisdictions, this was often loosely enforced and the exception for "therapeutic" abortions was often stretched considerably. Plus, depending on the methodology used, the counting of abortion deaths likely has varied widely. – Daniel R Hicks May 30 '19 at 21:54
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    @DanielRHicks Your point about the differing methods of counting abortion-related deaths potentially resulting in under- or over-reporting is worth noting, but I'm not sure I understand what the accessibility of abortions has to do with the claim of "thousands" dying each year. – Thunderforge May 30 '19 at 22:00
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    @Thunderforge - I'm not going to try to find documentation for it, but I have read credible reports in the past (mostly prior to about 1970) that abortion (of at least a semi-legal nature) was, around that time, readily available in some areas (at least to those of sufficient means). And other claims that abortion was essentially unrestricted (at least in many jurisdictions) prior to maybe 1920, when major religious switched from condoning it to opposing it. So the goal post keeps moving. – Daniel R Hicks May 30 '19 at 22:07
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    @DanielRHicks My guess is that the claim is focused on the years prior to Roe v. Wade, since there’s a clear implication that Roe v. Wade resulted in a change. Using stats from 1920 to prove a 1973 case changed things would definitely be suspect. But of course, the statement is vague, so we don’t know for sure about the intent. – Thunderforge May 30 '19 at 23:21
  • @Thunderforge - Partly, at least, my point is that it was all over the map prior to Roe v Wade. – Daniel R Hicks May 30 '19 at 23:25
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    Do these deaths include suicides? – Simd May 31 '19 at 06:10
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    This whole argument is irrelevant. Either Baby-Murder is moral or it isn't. If it's not moral, should we stop trying to prevent it merely because statistically 0.0% of murderers also die in the act? The real question is: What is a morally/logically/scientifically optimum definition for the start of human "personhood". All other questions are deliberate (at this point) distractions from the core issue. – Brock Adams May 31 '19 at 22:59
  • Consider: How would you even determine how many people died last year, in the US, due to not being able to afford medical care? Bound to be in the hundreds, likely thousands, but there's no way to determine the number, even roughly. – Daniel R Hicks Jun 01 '19 at 00:09
  • Could the figure include deaths from *non-abortions* where abortion would have been a medically recommended route for an unsafe pregnancy if it was legal? – mcalex Jun 01 '19 at 18:00
  • From a practical perspective, the number of women who died "due to illegal abortions" was zero. They died due to unsanitary conditions or poor/no access to adequate health care when things went wrong. And any interpretation of deaths must take this into account. In other words, you'd expect a very low number in the 60s due to better health care and hygiene while you'd expect deplorable numbers in the 1890s for lack of both. Dr. Wen's claim is a good example of "lying with statistics" because the jump-to-conclusion ("if abortions were legal none would have died") is unprovable. – JBH Jun 01 '19 at 21:57
  • Medical science got better the past years, that's something they seem to forget here. – Mast Jun 02 '19 at 15:36
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    @BrockAdams: You're making a lot of assumptions about what opinions are possible. In particular: plenty of people think that abortion is a tragedy, but don't consider it "murder" *per se*, and would prefer policies that reduce the rate of abortions *without* unnecessarily killing thousands of desperate women. (In fact, rhetoric notwithstanding, even the most hard-line anti-abortion bills don't generally treat abortion as *literally* equivalent to baby-murder.) – ruakh Jun 02 '19 at 21:47
  • I think it's the wrong question. How many women died in previous years is sad, but irrelevant. What we really want to know: How many women would die every year if abortions were made illegal, minus the number of women dying today in legal abortions. – gnasher729 Jun 02 '19 at 22:03
  • @BrockAdams: Also, as a practical matter, political arguments are not always about bringing "the other side" to your point of view; sometimes they're about convincing one's own side of the importance of an issue, so as to motivate action. – ruakh Jun 05 '19 at 06:23

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When? If you go back far enough, it's likely...

The data collected by Tietze showed 2,677 deaths from abortion in 1933...

...and then maybe...

...compared with 888 in 1945, with much of the decline in septic cases associated with illegal abortions. (The numbers also include deaths from "therapeutic abortions," permitted by law, and "spontaneous abortions.")

...and then no, not even close:

The CDC began collecting data on abortion mortality in 1972, the year before Roe was decided. In 1972, the number of deaths in the United States from legal abortions was 24 and from illegal abortions 39, according to the CDC.

This quote is from the article How many women died in abortions before Roe v. Wade? by the Washington Post, originally published as a longer article here.

Tietze's data is from the Bureau of the Census and can be found in his paper Abortion as a Cause of Death (1948). Unfortunately this data is not separated, so the numbers in the quote for 1933 and 1945 include miscarriages and legal abortions. However, I'm sure the numbers are underreported, but to what degree is hard to tell as estimates vary wildly. Tietze attributes the drop in mortality to three main reasons: better contraception, abortionists with greater skill, and medicine like penicillin (which despite being discovered in 1928 was not widely in use until later).

The 1972 CDC stats are explained on their website. At this time, abortion was legal in some states but not others.

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    So to clarify: even as early as 1945, a statement that there were "thousands" of deaths would be an exaggeration, given that it was around 900? – Thunderforge May 30 '19 at 18:35
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    @Thunderforge There’s almost certainly underreporting in those numbers. I’m not sure what a good estimate would be though – Laurel May 30 '19 at 18:39
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    The statistics often seem to lack a clear definition of "abortion". "Spontaneous abortions" (miscarriages) may or may not be included. – Daniel R Hicks May 30 '19 at 22:12
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    Was abortion legislation in the USA in 1972 identical to 1933? – gerrit May 31 '19 at 08:00
  • Could the numbers be skewed by poor surgical practices/knowledge in the earlier years? – Pete B. May 31 '19 at 13:11
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    The data collected by Tietze explicitly defines abortion as '_unintentional, therapeutic, and illegally induced abortions._' and shows 2,677 deaths in 1933. I'm not sure that should be accepted as 'pretty clearly yes'. I didn't see a breakdown by type of abortion. Also - am I misunderstanding the claim? If the claim is '...every year...' and you can show that there were less than 2,000 deaths in 1972, then the claim is false - even if more than 2,000 women died in 1933. It would be correct to say '...some years...' but not '...every year...' – Rob P. May 31 '19 at 13:28
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    The Tietze numbers include miscarriages. – user76284 May 31 '19 at 16:39
  • @RobP. and how much of those deaths were due to limits of science/material conditions at the time, and not because they were 'illegal'. An abortion may be illegal, but still have access to normal material conditions as a legal one... Also, we must account for possible complications due to biology, and not only because of legal or illegal status. A good statistical study on this, would be really daunting. – An old man in the sea. May 31 '19 at 16:40
  • @Anoldmaninthesea. The unstated assumption is that if it were legal, it would be performed more safely because medical professionals would be trained in it, and more research on the safe performance would be carried out – Azor Ahai -him- May 31 '19 at 17:42
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    That Washington Post article that you linked also calls into question the use of old statistics due to the advances in medicine since the 1930s. For example, penicillin would not have been in widespread use at that point, and so you'd have many more women die of infection in the 1933 study. – kuhl May 31 '19 at 19:16
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    So we'd really need to know the number of legal vs. illegal abortions, the number of deaths in legal vs illegal abortions, and then we could calculate the expected number of deaths if all abortions had been legal.That is if we want to answer the question "how many women would die today every year if abortions were illegal". – gnasher729 Jun 01 '19 at 16:38
  • I feel like one thing that would make this answer even stronger is including the number of deaths in childbirth for those same years, or the number of deaths in various types of surgery. This would help show that the change in numbers over the years is due to changes in quality of medical care. – Kyralessa Jun 14 '19 at 18:02
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This article covers the history, including representative statistics. This paper provides some more statistics. The key quotation is:

In 1940 there were 1407 abortion-related deaths (excluding spontaneous abortions). By 1966 there were 160 abortion-related deaths, an 89% decline that took place before any state had passed less restrictive abortion laws.

  • The introduction of antibiotics made a massive difference to the death rate for both abortion and giving birth; before then infection was the biggest risk for both.

  • Widespread availability of contraception meant fewer unwanted pregnancies, and hence probably less abortion. However estimates of the general rate of illegal abortion are very difficult to make.

  • Doctors may have been more willing to perform illegal abortions in the 1960s, making the procedure safer.

Hence the death toll from illegal abortions after a ban today would more likely be a 100 - 200 per year rather than thousands.

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    Wouldn't antibiotics and contraception being even more widely available today than in 1966 suggest that there would be even fewer abortion-related deaths after a ban today? Based on what you've described, 100-200 per year sounds high to me. – Thunderforge May 30 '19 at 18:32
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    @Thunderforge Possibly. OTOH antibiotic resistance is an increasing problem. There are a lot of factors, including pregnacy tests leading to earlier termination and the availability of safe abortificants from abroad. I'm just quoting the articles I found rather than speculating. – Paul Johnson May 30 '19 at 18:35
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    Also of note, most (all?) anti-biotics require a prescription. Getting a prescription requires going to a doctor, who, if you failed to tell them that you had an abortion performed, would determine that one was performed during an examination, and if the law required the doctor to then report illegal abortions, few people would be able to obtain anti-biotics, and hence the numbers would likely be more on par to the earlier numbers from prior to the widespread availability of anti-biotics. Or would doctor-patient privilege allow doctors to treat illegal abortions without reporting them? – cpcodes May 30 '19 at 20:30
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    @cpcodes *"few people would be able to obtain anti-biotics, and hence the numbers would likely be more on par to the earlier numbers from prior to the widespread availability of anti-biotics"*. If this were the case, wouldn't it also be the case in 1966 (before any state legalized abortion)? As far as I know, antibiotics were available then and still required a prescription, so that seems like something that would be unchanged if abortion bans were implemented today. – Thunderforge May 30 '19 at 21:54
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    @Thunderforge it depends on how exactly the law gets implemented compared to before 1966. If they go full El Salvador, and call the police to arrest you as soon as it even looks like you've had a miscarriage, it would probably be worse. If doctors wrote prescriptions and didn't tell a soul, it'd probably be better. – mbrig May 31 '19 at 02:06
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    @cpcodes “and if the law required...” Did any such law exist in the United States? – Joe May 31 '19 at 15:51
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    @Thunderforge It's also important to recognize that the population of the US is about 1.5 times larger today than it was in 1966. So unless there was quite a significant difference in the availability and use of antibiotics between then and now, population growth is likely to cancel out most of the improvements in technique. Incidentally, this is why per-capita figures are so important - figures in terms of absolute numbers of people are easy to make misleading. – probably_someone May 31 '19 at 19:40
  • "Widespread availability of contraception meant fewer unwanted pregnancies, and hence probably less abortion." It's possible this is undermined by a sort of paradox where people have a lot more sex even though they don't desire a pregnancy. Contraception failure is not uncommon, especially the oral kind females take (because it has to be taken for several days before having sex to be effective and can't be missed). Certainly the increased acceptability of sex outside of marriage has contributed significantly to the high number of abortions, and contraception contributed to that culture. – jpmc26 Jun 01 '19 at 05:29
  • @cpcodes It's highly unlikely that doctors would be required to report an illegal abortion when treating a patient for complications following it, much like they're not required to report illegal drug use. The recent Alabama law went out of its way to avoid criminalizing *receiving* an abortion, likely exactly because of the kinds of concerns you express. – jpmc26 Jun 01 '19 at 05:36
  • Any opinion about whether people had more unprotected sex outside marriage 1966 compared to 1940? Isn't it reasonable to think that that kind of social change would increase the demand for abortions? If you are married with someone and end up being pregnant you might think it is easier to "oops, but let's do the best of the situation and keep the baby" while if you are unmarried "oops, it is impossible to have this baby"? – d-b Jun 01 '19 at 15:54
  • @probably_someone I’m pretty sure improvements in medical technology since 1966 would overwhelm the effect of a 1.5x population growth. – user76284 Jun 01 '19 at 18:08
  • @probably_someone the current US population is roughly 50% larger than in 1966. Alternatively, the current population is roughly 1.5 *as large as* (not larger than) the 1966 population. (Although the figures I found were 328 million and 197 million, which makes it about 2/3 larger, or 1.66 times as large.) – phoog Jun 02 '19 at 20:36
  • My comment was cautionary - note the "if". And, since pro-life supporters often equate abortion to murder, it is not unthinkable that similar requirements to a doctor's obligation to report GSWs and such to law enforcement would eventually make their way into the law. Maybe, maybe not. You also still run into the common practice of requiring doctors to report important medical findings to the parents of a minor, which has traditionally prevented underage women from seeking legal abortions before organizations such as Planned Parenthood began a practice of confidentiality where possible. – cpcodes Jun 03 '19 at 16:22
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Easily. Thousands died in the early years from illegal abortions. And even if the number of dead women declined somewhat, the amount of harm done is still best described as very high. That the number of deaths declined is mostly due to doctors performing either the procedures or treating the resulting health consequences. It's just that the officially registered deaths from illegal abortions immediately before Roe vs Wade were a little lower than "thousands".
It also ashould be noted that while Roe was a landmark case, it is a stand-in for "less extreme anti-abortion laws", and those started to change slightly earlier.

But there are several factors to observe when analysing the timeline. Given the size of the population, the unspecified time-span and the mere numerical "thousands":

By the end of the decade of the 1870s, medical writers began to suggest earlier estimates had been, if anything, too low. In 1878 physicians testifying in the closely watched murder trial of an abortionist in southern Illinois set the ratio at 25 percent of all pregnancies.89 In Wisconsin the situation seemed even worse. According to the state medical society's report to AMA headquarters in 1879, "where one living child is born into the world, two are done away with by means of criminal abortion."90 The Wisconsin report was greater by a factor of two than any other medical estimate of the period, and can probably be discounted. But less easily dismissed was still another upward revision of the Storer and Heard ratio of one abortion in every five pregnancies made by the Michigan State Board of Health two years later.

Physicians in Michigan, according to a special committee of the Board of Health, were directly aware of "seventeen abortions to every hundred pregnancies," and were also convinced that at least "as many more… never come to the physician's knowledge, making 34 percent, or one-third of all [pregnancies] ending in [purposeful] miscarriage." The Michigan report calculated that "not less than one hundred thousand" abortions were performed each year in the United States and "not less than six thousand" women died annually from the immediate effects of an abortion. The committee's data, like that in Philadelphia, had been collected by mail; one member of the committee had gathered responses from nearly a hundred doctors around the state.

Occasionally during the 1880s a physician might estimate an abortion rate as low as "ten percent of all pregnancies," but most writers arrived at calculations at least as high as the Michigan rate of one-third.93 A doctor who had practiced in Philadelphia for twenty-five years "stated as his firm conviction that more than one-half of the human family dies before it is born, and that probably three-fourths of the premature deaths are the direct or indirect result of abortion by intent." (p81–82)

–– James C Mohr: "Abortion in America The Origins and Evolution of National Policy/ 1800–1900", Oxford University Press: Oxford, New York, 1978.

That is in the 19th century with lower population numbers.

If we look more closely in time to Roe vs Wade in 1972, then we get

A 1951 Ebony article on “the abortion menace,” for example, included a series of photos depicting a woman meeting an unknown connection on a dark Corner, the abortion procedure being performed in an apartment, and, finally, several police officers Standing in a circle around a bed and pulling a sheet over a dead woman’s body.
The headline announced that abortion “claims 8,000 lives of desperate mothers-to-be” every year, including “several thousand Negro women.”96 A decade later, a three-part investigative series on abortion in the mainstream Saturday Evening Post followed the same pattern. Headlines declared that “every day thousands of American women risk their lives” by having abortions. Ebony depicted the death and victimization of an African American woman; photos in the Saturday Evening Post featured young white women who had died. Both included photos of the abortionist’s equipment and guilty abortionists.97 Avid readers learned that abortion was deviant, dirty, and dangerous; those who might know otherwise endured shame and secrecy.
–– Leslie J Reagan: "Dangerous Pregnancies: Mothers, Disabilities, and Abortion in Modern America", University of California Press: 2010.

The whole thing was illegal, which means that exact numbers are not available in the statistics. These very conservative estimates and eventually scarcely available numbers underreport systematically the real numbers, but still:

Mortality From Induced Abortionbefore 1973
It is impossible to know for certain how many induced abortions took place before 1969, the year the CDC began its surveillance of the number of abortions and abortion deaths in the United States. Tietze28 estimated that prior to the adoption of more moderate abortion laws in 1967, there were 1 million abortions annually nationwide, of which 8000 were legal, resulting in an abortion rate of five per 1000 people and an abortion ratio of 30 per 100 live births.

The only available national data on abortion-related deaths prior to 1969 come from death certificate information reported to the vital statistics system of the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) (Hyattsville, Md). The NCHS estimates of abortion-related deaths are considered conservative because many deaths that were abortion-related were not listed as such on the death certificate. The physician may not have known that the death was abortion-related or may have omitted that information on the death certificate, given the stigma and illegality associated with the procedure.29 However, NCHS data offer the only information on abortion-related deaths before 1969 that allow comparisons to be made overtime.

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Legal and Illegal Abortion-Related Deaths per Million Women Aged 15 to 44 Years, United States, 1958 Through 1972
–– Yank D. Coble Jr, MD; E. Harvey Estes Jr, MD; C. Alvin Head, MD; et al; Council on Scientific Affairs, American Medical Association: "Induced Termnation of Pregnancy Before and After Roe v Wade. Trends in the Mortality and Morbidity of Women", JAMA. 1992;268(22):3231-3239. doi:10.1001/jama.1992.03490220075032

Perhaps relevant: after an illegal abortion developed complications that may result in death, there were still medical treatment options, which if omitted would have increased the death toll astronomically. The death rate was only so low in the late 20th century because all those women that were harmed grievously were eventually treated properly:

In more accessible language:

Illegal Abortions Were Common
Estimates of the number of illegal abortions in the 1950s and 1960s ranged from 200,000 to 1.2 million per year. One analysis, extrapolating from data from North Carolina, concluded that an estimated 829,000 illegal or self-induced abortions occurred in 1967.

One stark indication of the prevalence of illegal abortion was the death toll. In 1930, abortion was listed as the official cause of death for almost 2,700 women—nearly one-fifth (18%) of maternal deaths recorded in that year. The death toll had declined to just under 1,700 by 1940, and to just over 300 by 1950 (most likely because of the introduction of antibiotics in the 1940s, which permitted more effective treatment of the infections that frequently developed after illegal abortion). By 1965, the number of deaths due to illegal abortion had fallen to just under 200, but illegal abortion still accounted for 17% of all deaths attributed to pregnancy and childbirth that year. And these are just the number that were officially reported; the actual number was likely much higher.

Poor women and their families were disproportionately impacted. A study of low-income women in New York City in the 1960s found that almost one in 10 (8%) had ever attempted to terminate a pregnancy by illegal abortion; almost four in 10 (38%) said that a friend, relative or acquaintance had attempted to obtain an abortion. Of the low-income women in that study who said they had had an abortion, eight in 10 (77%) said that they had attempted a self-induced procedure, with only 2% saying that a physician had been involved in any way.

These women paid a steep price for illegal procedures. In 1962 alone, nearly 1,600 women were admitted to Harlem Hospital Center in New York City for incomplete abortions, which was one abortion-related hospital admission for every 42 deliveries at that hospital that year. In 1968, the University of Southern California Los Angeles County Medical Center, another large public facility serving primarily indigent patients, admitted 701 women with septic abortions, one admission for every 14 deliveries.

A clear racial disparity is evident in the data of mortality because of illegal abortion: In New York City in the early 1960s, one in four childbirth-related deaths among white women was due to abortion; in comparison, abortion accounted for one in two childbirth-related deaths among nonwhite and Puerto Rican women.

Even in the early 1970s, when abortion was legal in some states, a legal abortion was simply out of reach for many. Minority women suffered the most: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that in 1972 alone, 130,000 women obtained illegal or self-induced procedures, 39 of whom died. Furthermore, from 1972 to 1974, the mortality rate due to illegal abortion for nonwhite women was 12 times that for white women.
–– Rachel Benson Gold: "Lessons from Before Roe: Will Past be Prologue?", Guttmacher Policy Review, Volume 6, Issue 1, 2003.


In the decade when Grimes was born, the 1940s, there were records of more than 1,000 women dying each year from unsafe and largely self-induced abortions. Every large municipal hospital in the U.S. had a “septic abortion ward,” and treatment for the complications from so-called “incomplete abortion” was the single leading cause for admission for OB-GYN services across the country. National Opinion Research Center surveys conducted in the 1960s found that hundreds of women were attempting to self-abort by penetrating themselves with knitting needles, coat hangers, bicycle spokes, ballpoint pens; others tried to swallow chemicals like turpentine, laundry bleach, and acid.

“When the laws began to change, almost overnight, deaths from septic abortion disappeared,” he told ThinkProgress. “Any way you look at it, abortion has been an astounding public health success.”

–– Interview of David Grimes by Tara Culp-Ressler: "What Americans Have Forgotten About The Era Before Roe v. Wade", Think Progress, NOV 19, 2014,

The connection in all this is quite simple:

When conducted in a legal setting and under safe conditions, abortion is an extremely effective and safe procedure. Tragically, almost half of all abortions that take place in the world are conducted under unsafe conditions, mostly in countries where abortion is illegal or highly restricted. These unsafe abortions are a major cause of maternal death and disability. Restricting a woman’s access to abortion does not prevent abortion but simply leads to more unsafe abortions. Barriers to safe abortion are many but include legal barriers, health policy barriers, shortages of trained healthcare workers, and stigma surrounding abortion.[…]
When conducted in a legal setting and under safe conditions, abortion is an extremely safe procedure associated with few complications. US data suggest that it is as safe as or safer than most common outpatient medical procedures and safer than childbirth.[…]
Yet almost half of the 55.7 million abortions that are estimated to take place each year in the world (an estimated 25.1 million abortions) are considered unsafe (17.1 million less safe plus 8.0 million least safe) 6. The WHO defines unsafe abortion as a procedure for terminating a pregnancy by persons who are not appropriately trained or use a non-recommended method (less safe) or both (least safe) 6. Unsafe abortions lead to a high burden of complications, maternal deaths, and costs. Recent estimates for the global distribution of safe, less-safe, and least-safe abortions show that when the legal status of abortion is considered, the proportion of least-safe abortions is greatest in countries with highly restrictive abortion laws, most of which are developing countries.
–– Sharon Cameron: "Recent advances in improving the effectiveness and reducing the complications of abortion", F1000 Research, Version 1, 7, Rev-1881, 2018, doi: 10.12688/f1000research.15441.1

Summary

If one wants to be a math-minded stickler who is taking every word at face-value:
then no, in 1972 there is no official record of reliable and exact statistics of more than one thousand (>1000) women dying from the effects of illegal abortions.
But this is an interpretative act by that stickler, reading an illusory precision into a statement that is imprecise. Since this claim is political and as such a communication enabling shorthand ("thousands" usually isn't used mathematically but colloquially) for "many women died needlessly, when proper procedures were available, just because of this prohibition, before this prohibition was overturned", then the claim is perhaps slightly exaggerated for the last few years before 1973 but acceptable in its general direction.
Abortions will take place, and if they are illegalised, and thus made unsafe, many more women will die, as this is what happened when the legal situation was "prohobition".

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    Any numbers before 1945 or so need to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Without antibiotics, the risk of death from infection was much greater than today. Spending a huge section on the 1800s wouldn't be relevant at all to today's discussion based on the advances in medicine in the past 140+ years. – kuhl May 31 '19 at 19:14
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    @kuhl I believe to have made it clear that the actual numbers in illegality are of dubious precision, but as asked ("prior") this is relevant. Further are medical advances double-edged, as women died from legal terminations and plain child birth as well, and all these numbers improved. (With proper procedures, expert knowledge and antiseptic precautions, even after Semmelweiss they did improve, for all three cases) But the *effect of this prohibition on survival* is huge is still the main conclusion? – LangLаngС May 31 '19 at 19:21
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    "But since this claim is political and as such a communication enabling shorthand for "many women died needlessly, when proper procedures were available, just because of this prohibition, before this prohibition was overturned", then the claim is acceptable in its general direction." I see you don't worry about being factually accurate when you can be morally correct. – eyeballfrog Jun 01 '19 at 04:40
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    It saddens me a bit that after all the facts, nuances and numbers presented one focusses on a single sentence, even ignoring the very preceeding sentence. But it's still is a delight to have it confirmed that this one sentence is at least the one that is "morally correct". – LangLаngС Jun 01 '19 at 10:48
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    @LangLangC You don't have to be a "math-minded stickler" to think that numbers matter, even general ones like 'thousands" ("thousands" is not shorthand for "many" because, among other reasons, it's *longer*.). If what you care about is people dying, then being off by a large factor might make you put your priorities in the wrong place. You might be better off putting your efforts into preventing lightning strike deaths - without so much as general numbers, how would you even know? – D M Jun 01 '19 at 17:14
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    "then the claim is acceptable in its general direction" Why? The claim, by your own admission, is factually wrong. Instead, you rewrite the claim to be subjective 'many', 'needlessly' rather than objective to get the result you want... that's not particularly skeptical. – NPSF3000 Jun 02 '19 at 03:12
  • "Thousands died in **the early years** from illegal abortions." Care to be a bit more specific than 1776 to 1972? – RonJohn Jun 02 '19 at 17:18
  • Regarding *Table 4*, how many million women were there between ages 15 and 44? In order for there to be 2,000 deaths from illegal abortions from 1958-62, there would have had to be 200,000,000 females of that age in the country. Since there were only 179M people in the country, the quoted number of deaths is impossible. – RonJohn Jun 02 '19 at 17:23
  • If there were 45M females aged 15-44 (half the population are female, and I wildly estimate that half the females are aged 14-44) then there were 447 deaths/year. While high, that's nowhere near 2,000. Or even one thousand. – RonJohn Jun 02 '19 at 20:45
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    The question asked was: Did thousands of women die every year because abortions were illegal? The answer seems "after 1945, no". The question that should have been asked was "if abortions were made illegal, would thousands die every year", and the answer is IMO "very unlikely". But you can very legitimately ask "if abortions were made illegal, would an unacceptably large number of women die every year", and the answer is probably "depends exactly on the circumstances". If medical doctors or reasonably competent practitioners can take the risk of performing an illegal abortion, then most... – gnasher729 Jun 02 '19 at 22:11
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    ... illegal abortions would be performed reasonably safely and the number of deaths should remain low. If the law is such that only a reckless criminal will perform an abortion, and will rather let the woman die than getting competent help if something goes wrong, then the number of deaths will be unacceptably high and possible back to pre-1945 numbers, that is "thousands". – gnasher729 Jun 02 '19 at 22:14
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As a further cause of death from unwanted pregnancy, you do also need to add the suicide rate for pregnant women.

A quick Google picked up one paper suggesting 14 out of 105 pregnant teenagers assessed in 1959-60 had attempted suicide.

A review of the records of 105 New Haven residents who were 17 and under when they delivered an infant revealed that 14 had subsequently attempted or threatened suicide.

Of course, then you need to correct those numbers for women who would have committed suicide anyway, whether pregnant or not, and that's going to be harder to check.

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  • The problem with this answer is that it does not really tell us anything about the question: surely the suicidal women who actually killed themselves are to be counted, but this paper (a) is really not strong enough to prove anything, (b) doesn't even tell us how many died and (c) doesn't give us any statistics about the total deaths. – Sklivvz Jun 01 '19 at 20:15
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    @Sklivvz Thanks for fixing up my answer and link. Agreed, counting these deaths would be ***hard***, and I don't have good numbers myself. I'm on my phone in a camp site right now, so resources are limited. :/ But all other answers have solely focused on deaths from illegal abortion and not from consequential deaths due to a lack of safe abortion or other options, which seems to be a major failing when we're looking at lives saved by RvW. I'd rather start with an improvable answer than have it missed. – Graham Jun 01 '19 at 20:50