5

In his song 'Terrorist' the artist Lowkey asserts:

When more Vietnam vets kill themselves

After the war than died in it?

Is this true?

Sean Duggan
  • 6,438
  • 2
  • 37
  • 60
George Grainger
  • 203
  • 1
  • 8
  • 2
    Well, strictly speaking your are only a veteran once you're back from that war. Maybe people doing more than one 'tour' in Vietnam can be considered vets, but even then those killing themselves during their service will be lower than all those who committed suicide afterwards. I think it it safe to assume that Lowkey means that more *veterans* killed themselves afterwards than *soldiers* during. –  Sep 13 '18 at 11:37
  • 3
    @JanDoggen actually (if I'm reading your comment correctly) the song lyrics seem to claim "more Vietnam veterans committed suicide after the war, than soldiers *died of any cause* during the war." There are definitely other interpretations that might change whether the statement is factual or not though, especially if you take it literally and check for the numbers of *Vietnam veterans* that died during the Vietnam war. – Kamil Drakari Sep 13 '18 at 14:59
  • @KamilDrakari Yes, that's what I meant, I forgot the word *died* –  Sep 13 '18 at 15:14
  • This CDC report seems like it is relevant, but I am finding what seem to be contradictory results. I am probably misinterpreting the data and I do not have time to figure it out right now. https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/veterans/default1a.htm – BobTheAverage Sep 13 '18 at 15:21
  • I guess "Vietnam vets" here refers to combatants from countries other than Vietnam (?). – Rebecca J. Stones Dec 02 '22 at 02:15
  • I assume "vietnam vets" means people who would have become veterans if they hadn't died during the war. – gnasher729 Dec 05 '22 at 17:43
  • The death count for US soldiers in Vietnam is estimated to 58,281 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#United_States_armed_forces – Evargalo May 29 '23 at 16:09

1 Answers1

4

Looks like bad data:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2343923

Old (1990) data, but estimating 9,000 suicides amongst the Vietnam vets.

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/07/opinion/l-how-many-suicides-by-vietnam-vets-841091.html

Again, old, but with the same number.

While I find the 50,000+ numbers in various places none are high quality. I strongly suspect that the 50,000+ numbers count all military suicides, not merely Vietnam.

Loren Pechtel
  • 1,111
  • 7
  • 14
  • 13
    Can you clarify your answer? As it stands, without visiting the links, I have no clue what you're talking about or if the answer is yes or no. – Laurel Sep 14 '18 at 01:58
  • 2
    the "9,000" figure is only through the early 1980s – DavePhD Sep 14 '18 at 15:14
  • 1
    @DavePhD But why would the rate have shot up afterwards? Everything I can find that looks remotely solid is simply counting veteran suicides, not specifically Vietnam. – Loren Pechtel Sep 14 '18 at 21:22
  • 1
    @LorenPechtel Not to say that this is happening here, but suicide rates are high in elderly populations. Rates could increase after 1980s because of the age of the vets. – Tashus Oct 16 '18 at 18:15
  • I can imagine that someone aged 23 returning home from the worst thing they would ever encounter in their life might not commit suicide (too much of a life to throw away), but with every year spent the value of their life goes down. So you'd have to count the total. But if we care about what the artist meant, not what he said, we would subtract suicides for other reasons. – gnasher729 Dec 05 '22 at 17:46