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I've been admonished not to ever shine a laser into the night sky as it might "dazzle pilots" and potentially bring down airplanes. This seems kind of illogical for a number of reasons:

  1. If a plane is flying perpendicular to the earth, a laser from the ground would have to hit it at a significant angle, much more akin to pointing a bit higher than the horizon rather than straight up, for the actual pilot of the plane to see the laser output.
  2. While lasers can be deadly accurate, I find it hard to believe that any old Joe Shmoe can track the cockpit of an airplane at +10,000 feet, possibly miles away, and this would at the very least have to be deliberate.
  3. Most commercial airplanes fly for the most part (save takeoff and landing) on autopilot! Let's say you actually succeeded in temporarily blinding the pilot. The plane just keeps flying, as it exists in the 21st century and uses a computer.
  4. Unless you have something greater than a 1000mW laser (not easy or legal to acquire these days), won't the distance be too great to actually cause significant problems?

We were once playing on a military beach at night with a simple, store-bought green laser, shining it into the sky, when a scruffy old man approached us and reprimanded us for shining it into the sky, claiming that we might "dazzle a pilot." Is this just fallacy?

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    You’ve already mentioned the conditions where lasers can be a hazard: take-off and landing. – Konrad Rudolph Jun 02 '11 at 10:02
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    You can buy a 1w laser at wickedlasers.com – Razor Storm Jun 02 '11 at 17:42
  • A strange coincidence: I read your question a few days ago and thought that such a thing was very unlikely to happen. But today I read about a similar event that took place in Russia. Here's the [source](http://translate.google.com/translate?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rbc.ru%2Frbcfreenews%2F20110606132128.shtml&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=en) (translated from Russian by Google). – Edwin Ross Jun 06 '11 at 10:54
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    I suggest you take a flying lesson. It's cheap, fun, and educational. You might find you have a little more sympathy for pilots. The plane does the flying. The pilot just guides it. Nevertheless, when you're trying to put the wheels in the center of the runway, in the dark, not too soon and not too late, with gusty winds, and not just dropping it the last 10 feet, the last thing you need is a bright green flash in the face. – Mike Dunlavey Jun 28 '11 at 19:26
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    [Some videos/newsreports about the problem.](http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/09/laser-pointers-are-a-very-big-problem-for-aircraft-apparently/245784/) – Oddthinking Oct 01 '11 at 18:54
  • As a passenger, I was "dazzled" by a green laser on a flight a few months ago. We were several minutes into the flight, and I was looking down at Santiago, and for maybe 1/2 a second a laser hit the window. It was significantly more intense than the traffic lights. It had no effect on my vision, but had it been a more powerful laser, or grouped with other lasers, or tracked better, or been directly in line with something that was important for me to see... – Larry OBrien Feb 23 '12 at 19:48
  • On the other hand, lasers and airplanes lead to employment. At Gemini, we're looking for an Airplane Spotter http://www.gemini.edu/jobs#108 It is a *tough* job -- outside at night at 14000' in often-freezing often-windy weather. – Larry OBrien Feb 23 '12 at 19:56
  • Had this happen in a small town I was in. Friend of mine didn't think his laser (some kind of stronger one, still over the counter) would reach the plane and pointed it at the plane at night. A while later our Cop friend told us that they called into the airport and were pretty angry and demanded justice... – Josef E. Jul 25 '14 at 19:07
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    A plane flying perpendicular to the Earth has other problems... – Dennis Williamson Nov 11 '14 at 22:29
  • A long time ago I created a cradle to align a laser (from an old grocery store scanner) to point through one side of a pair of binoculars and I would look through the other side. Handheld, I could see and point it at something a mile away, but the spot (which was focused without divergence by the binocular lens system) danced all over the place with my heartbeat and breathing. Using a tripod I could have pointed it more smoothly at a greater distance. It was very startling to someone reading a newspaper in his living room across a lake. I didn't do it again, because he could have located me. –  Apr 21 '16 at 03:13

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It is a real threat. Enough of a threat for the FAA to mail out a Pilot Safety Notice (Linked PDF). Let me explain why, as a counter to each of your points in the original question:

  1. First of all, planes bank and turn, so they aren't always perpendicular to the ground. Also, the Plexiglas material that aircraft windshields are made of further scatter and intensifies the dazzle effect on a pilot that happens to be sitting right up on the window. So you don't need to shine it directly at the pilot, just the cockpit.
  2. The greatest danger is not for high flying aircraft, but rather while aircraft are in critical phases of flight. That is not to say that you can't have an effect on higher flying aircraft. There is a property of lasers called divergence that will allow you to cover a fair area of the sky. Although, then the inverse square law takes over, so the power getting to a pilot at those distance normally wouldn't be a concern for most, although it may screw up night vision.
  3. You greatly overestimate the amount of time an aircraft is on autopilot. Generally, below 10,000 feet is where most professional pilots will take over from the autopilot in order to warm up for the landing phase. (This is a TTP for pilots.) It actually tunes you in for greater Situational Awareness (SA), and will have you looking out of the cockpit more than when on autopilot. Thus making you more susceptible to a laser dazzling effect.
  4. It only takes a small amount of light to screw up your vision for landing phases. This is especially dangerous during night operations. It is also intensified again by the scattering that you get from the Plexiglas as I mentioned in item 1. Add to that that green light is the most "dazzling" wavelength.

Specific effects as listed here are:

Distraction and Startle: This occurs when an unexpected laser (or other bright light) can distract a pilot during a night time take-off or approach/landing.

Glare and Disruption: This occurs as the intensity of the laser light increases such that it starts to interfere with vision; night vision starts to deteriorate.

Temporary Flash blindness: This effect is similar to that experienced when looking at a bright camera flash. There is no injury, but a portion of the visual field is temporarily knocked out. Sometimes there are ‘afterimages’.

And you are lucky that the old guy didn't call the Military Police on you. They have a procedure for reporting these incidents (called a SAFIRE). It has even happened with civilians.

New law to combat louts dazzling pilots over Birmingham with lasers pens (that's Birmingham in the UK).

PILOTS flying over the skies of Birmingham are facing a greater threat of being dazzled by a laser pen than almost anywhere else in the country, it has emerged.

The region is third in a ‘league of shame’ of hotspots for the crime according to a report by the UK Civil Aviation Authority.

Now they have introduced a new law to target the reckless offenders putting the lives of those in airliners and helicopters at risk.

Man arrested for trying to dazzle pilots with laser

(Reuters) - A man appeared in court on Tuesday accused of trying to dazzle pilots with a laser beam as they were landing at France's second-busiest airport Paris Orly, aviation authorities said.

"Several pilots complained and the man was arrested near the runway," a spokesman for the civil aviation authority said.

Aussie laser-pointer dazzle attacks on airliners: Bad

Australian politicians are demanding restrictions on the ownership of laser pointers in the land down under. The banning calls follow a series of widely-reported incidents in which individuals on the ground have attempted to dazzle pilots of commercial aircraft making approaches to landing.

A particularly troublesome dazzling attack took place last Friday, involving at least four comparatively-powerful green laser pointers in the Bexley area of Sydney. Six passenger flights were affected, with air-traffic controllers having to re-route the planes.

"The use of these laser pointers against aeroplanes is unbelievably stupid and cannot be tolerated," Australian Home Affairs Minister Bob Debus told the Sydney Morning Herald.

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    @Larian LeQuella, it was only a sarcastic remark. I was feeling highly skeptical of this, perhaps it was off-color, and I apologize for that. Nowhere in my question was I suggesting that I or anyone I know was or is planning on actually bringing down an airplane via a laser, I was asking if it was really possible, again, I was highly skeptical that it was. I'm really just asking whether me pointing a laser into the sky specifically __NOT__ at airplanes was dangerous for any real reason. – Naftuli Kay Jun 02 '11 at 02:30
  • @Larian LeQuella, so is it reasonably safe for me to use a laser out in the mountains to point out constellations? – Naftuli Kay Jun 02 '11 at 02:32
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    I think the answer could be improved by some reference to laser strength. For example, in Australia, in a response to this problem, laser pointers stronger than 1 mW have been banned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_safety). I'm not saying it is difficult to circumvent this ban or that the problem is solved, but this answer does not show that *over-the-counter* laser pointers are a problem. – Oddthinking Jun 02 '11 at 04:41
  • @Oddthinking You can buy [up to 1W laser pointers](http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_III_Pro_Arctic_Series-96-37.html), probably even legally in many countries. But I agree that some hard information on the power would be nice, I thought the problem was mainly with the stronger laser pointers in the 20-100 mW range, not with the presentation ones. – Mad Scientist Jun 02 '11 at 05:25
  • So, now there are two problems: (1) Is there a minimum power range below which realistically, it isn't a problem? (2) Can you buy laser pointers stronger than that "over-the-counter" in the OP's country? – Oddthinking Jun 02 '11 at 05:31
  • Funny enough right before I opened this question I read a verdict against a Swedish man shooting a laser at a helicopter: http://www.thelocal.se/34134/20110602/ – Kit Sunde Jun 02 '11 at 08:10
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    @Oddthinking The power of the laser isn't really _that_ significant for DAZZLING. Especially when using a green one because of the wavelength. – Larian LeQuella Jun 02 '11 at 10:31
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    @TK Kocheran You should be okay if you are far away from any areas where aircraft commonly fly below 10,000'. Although, using a laser to point at starts on a clear night is probably not the best use of a pointer. ;) And I'll edit your question and my response. – Larian LeQuella Jun 02 '11 at 10:32
  • @Kit, if I am first permitted to make the assumptions that it isn't possible to *accidentally* hit an aircraft closer than 100m away without being fully aware it is there, then: just from gut feel, I would guess that a 1mW laser from 100m (+ cockpit glass) away is going to be too attenuated to dazzle. I have zero evidence to back this claim. Do you think I am underestimating the power of a 1mW green laser? – Oddthinking Jun 02 '11 at 12:46
  • @Larian, but imagine the look on the astronomer's face when, in 50 years time, the light reflects back, and the star looks slightly redder for a second! :-) [I had a similar idea in 2007 after the Red Eclipse of the Moon: http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2007/08/29/set-your-lasers-to-fun/, http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2007/09/01/the-sum-of-one-million-frickin-laser-beams/] – Oddthinking Jun 02 '11 at 12:54
  • @Larian, If I'm at elevation 8000+ with mountains well higher than that, I doubt that planes will be flying that low... am I correct? – Naftuli Kay Jun 03 '11 at 16:32
  • @TK Kocheran Again, depends. Many military aircraft perform training in what are called "Low Level Routes", so you could conceivably be above an aircraft. As well as any aircraft that may be approaching an airfield that is below your current altitude. And then there is VFR traffic that also flies quite low on many occasions. – Larian LeQuella Jun 03 '11 at 16:38
  • @Larian: Thanks for this answer. I haven't experienced it as a pilot, but I was recently in Athens on a high hill called Lycabettus. Some yahoo in the Syntagma square had a green laser and was shining it at us. At that distance it was spread out to maybe a meter in diameter, but when that beam fell on me and my companions, it was really startling. – Mike Dunlavey Jun 27 '11 at 14:14
  • @TKKocheran Just wondering, have you had a fruitful time using a pointer laser to point out stars? I may use this over at the Astronomy Stack Exchange. – Larian LeQuella Feb 23 '12 at 02:05
  • @LarianLeQuella, Yes, it's been great. I was up in the mountains last August with a clear view of the Milky Way and it worked great. I have a 200mW green laser, $20 on Amazon. Even with my horrible optic prescription which I had then, it was still pretty amazing to be able to point things out that well. – Naftuli Kay Feb 23 '12 at 17:10
  • @TKKocheran Green lasers are very useful for amateur astronomy and are common accessories. The main disadvantage is that you can ruin things for a nearby astrophotographer. – Larry OBrien Feb 23 '12 at 19:52
  • @LarryOBrien What would you recommend, then? – Naftuli Kay Feb 24 '12 at 16:19
  • "Although, then the inverse square law takes over, so the power getting to a pilot at those distance normally wouldn't be a concern for most," this is false, the inverse square law does not apply to lasers because they have very high spacial coherence. The intensity of a laser can remain very high even at large distances. – travisbartley Aug 06 '13 at 08:39
  • @trav1s yes, that is mostly true, however, many over the counter pointers have an artificial divergence factor manufactured int their optics (or should for the eye safety classifications). However, there are plenty of manufacturers that seem to ignore that industry safety standard now, making pointers more and more dangerous. – Larian LeQuella Aug 06 '13 at 23:14
  • @NaftuliTzviKay: With regards to point 1, there have been reported cases of people living around airports pointing lasers at planes landing and taking off. This means pointing the laser horizontally into the cockpit rather than the belly of the plane. This also makes point 3 worse because taking off and landing is THE time the pilot needs to concentrate. – slebetman Apr 18 '15 at 14:46
  • -1 beacause this answer doesn't address pointing lasers in the sky but on planes that are landing or taking off. – Tomáš Zato Apr 13 '16 at 10:15
  • @TomášZato see number 2 on my list... "The greatest danger is not for high flying aircraft" At "cruise" altitude, you generally aren't doing a lot of things that are considered "critical", hence my statement. – Larian LeQuella Apr 14 '16 at 01:50
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From wikipedia Laser and aviation safety:

Under certain conditions, laser light or other bright lights (spotlights, searchlights) directed at aircraft can be a hazard. The most likely scenario is when a bright visible laser light causes distraction or temporary flash blindness to a pilot, during a critical phase of flight such as landing or takeoff.

The problem is that the people shining the lasers are doing it when the planes are getting near to landing, above suburban areas, so they aren't flying high above the clouds.

Although it may not effect the planes control it is a jerk thing to do because you can seriously damage someone's eyesight.

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  • Again though, this is in the context of _deliberately shining a laser at an airplane_ albeit during takeoff or landing, right? – Naftuli Kay Jun 02 '11 at 01:46
  • @TK Kocheran - Right, but it answers your question. You're not shining the light from a boat in the middle of the ocean. Is it possible to distract a pilot with an over the counter laser? The answer is most definitely yes. – going Jun 02 '11 at 01:59
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    fair enough. Is it likely, though? Is pointing out constellations in the night sky a big risk, knowing not to aim the laser at airplanes? – Naftuli Kay Jun 02 '11 at 02:34
  • @TK Kocheran - I can't see you getting in trouble for that iff there wasn't a chance you could accidentally hit a low flying plane. – going Jun 02 '11 at 02:59
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According to this:

  • Permanent physical damage to the eye is highly unlikely (at time 3:48 in the video)
  • Even pointers can have effects that include startle, distract, glare, and 'flash blindness'
  • Strike is likely to be intermittent (small beam on moving target at long distance)

Maximum legal power for a green laser pointer is 5 mW (which can damage eyes if held on the same point of the retina for several seconds from within 50 feet); but distract can happen at 3,700 feet, and flash blindness at 1,200 feet.

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  • Just an addition: these days buying lasers of 2000mW and more is easily done online, regardless of local law. – fgysin Feb 16 '16 at 15:43