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Osmosis Skin Care offers what they call "Harmonized H2O" This product is a UV Neutralizer-Tan Enhancing[sic]: Boost your body’s defenses with this innovative new technology utilizing frequencies that work against the damaging effects of the sun.

Specifically, they claim that drinking this water at regular intervals will prevent sunburn while enhancing tanning.

Take 2ml every 4 hours while in the sun (preferably with 2+ oz of water). Wait 1 hour before exposure to the sun. Monitor sun exposure carefully. Take second dose if still in sun 3 hours after first dose.

The active ingredients of this product include: water. (With stored scalar waves.)

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Their research claims to show positive results:

This randomized clinical trial was designed to evaluate a new technology, scalar waves, to provide sun protection. ...... 24 patients ranging from 18 to 60 with various ethnic backgrounds and skin types were exposed to one hour of sun to one side of the body between noon and 1pm after ingesting 3ml Osmosis Harmonized Water UV Neutralizer. Paul Ver Hoeve, MD, FACS of Facial Beauty by MD conducted the study and documented the results which showed 16 out of the 24 patients did not experience any burning. This testing provides evidence that UV Neutralizer really works.

QUESTION: Can water store "scalar waves" that when ingested, give human skin the ability to "neutralize" UV rays? Does the study described on the product website support the claim that the product prevents sunburn?

Regarding notability: I have not read the reviews, but the company claims to have been reviewed in several nationally published magazines, including Porter, Flare, Heart and Soul and American Spa.

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The study that the company uses to prove that "scalar waves" give human skin the ability to "neutralize" UV rays is bunk, for a multitude of reasons.


Instead of commenting on the existence of scalar waves and their purported ability to block UV rays, I investigated their own website to determine what their proof of this supposed finding was. Scrolling down to the bottom of the research page on their site provides us with this section.

Osmosis Harmonized Water UV Neutralizer, described as the "world’s first drinkable sunscreen", went viral, attracting record media coverage. To solidify the brand’s clinical and holistic approach to treating the source of skin conditions using non-harmful ingredients with guaranteed results, Osmosis Pür Medical Skincare executed the line’s first clinical trial on June 28, 2014.

This randomized clinical trial was designed to evaluate a new technology, scalar waves, to provide sun protection. Osmosis Harmonized Water UV Neutralizer contains this form of radio-frequencies called scalar waves. When ingested, they vibrate above the skin.

24 patients ranging from 18 to 60 with various ethnic backgrounds and skin types were exposed to one hour of sun to one side of the body between noon and 1pm after ingesting 3ml Osmosis Harmonized Water UV Neutralizer. Paul Ver Hoeve, MD, FACS of Facial Beauty by MD conducted the study and documented the results which showed 16 out of the 24 patients did not experience any burning. This testing provides evidence that UV Neutralizer really works.

To download the clinical trial in its entirety and to access the online press room featuring product images, click here

The people at Osmosis Skin Care provide a link to a box.com account that contains, among other things, a pdf file entitled Evaluation of a Novel Form of Sun Protection, which claims to be a study on the effects of the product noted.

A number of things stood out in the study, including

  1. The study, when removing the pile of citations at the end, is only 2.5 pages long, significantly shorter than most scientific studies
  2. Of the 11 citations, 8 of them are in reference to studies that say that chemical sunscreen may cause skin irritation, one in reference to a single study regarding the effects of SPF-50 sunscreen and malignant melanoma, and two saying that there has never been substantial evidence that these waves can be imprinted on water. There is not a single citation in any part of the study after the introduction
  3. The author seems to want to make very sure that we know that he is skeptical of the science at the beginning, while also making sure to let us know he is a believer at the end.
  4. The sample is statistically very insignificant, only including 24 people, not controlling for race or skin type, only choosing participants who did not have medical conditions that would make them more vulnerable to exposure to sunlight.
  5. The author refuses to perform a double-blind study for ethical reasons, which seems like a convenient excuse to not provide comparison data.

Now while this data is all circumstantial, there is one other major thing to note about this study, that I feel kills this study. In the header, the author is kind enough to point out that this test took place between 12:00 and 1:00 PM on June 28th, 2014 in San Diego, CA.

Looking at the weather reports for San Diego International Airport on Weather Underground gives us some fairly damning evidence. The weather reports for San Diego on that day indicates that the day was very cloudy for the entire day. For only two reports the entire day were the conditions listed as "Scattered Clouds", and for all the reports during our study the conditions were listed as "Mostly Cloudy".

Borrowing from The NOAA Definition of mostly cloudy

When the 6/8th to 7/8ths of the sky is covered by with opaque (not transparent) clouds.

IT WAS VERY CLOUDY ON THE DAY THEY DID THIS TEST! I'm not surprised at their results at all and there is nothing notable about this study at all. They did a test with water on a cloudy day and were excited when only 1/3 of the people got burned. Honestly, I'm surprised the number is that high at all considering the weather.

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    Not performing a double-blind study here actually means not having a control group at all. – Paŭlo Ebermann Apr 18 '17 at 08:41
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    existance -> existence – ErikE Apr 18 '17 at 16:05
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    I was going to agreed with you on the final point -- here in San Diego we talk about "May gray" and "June gloom" due to the heavy marine layer those months -- but then I looked up the UV exposure record for June 28, 2014: https://darksky.net/details/32.8658,-117.2507/2014-6-28/us12/en – jeffronicus Apr 18 '17 at 16:39
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    That page shows the UV index for 12 noon to 1 p.m. on that date was 11. The EPA says "A UV Index reading of 11 or more means extreme risk of harm from unprotected sun exposure. Take all precautions because unprotected skin and eyes can burn in minutes." – jeffronicus Apr 18 '17 at 16:45
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In addition to the other excellent answers, which already show that the product is not to be trusted, I'd like to point out two more reasons why one should be worried about the "research" being presented.

Firstly I'd like to point out that the article is not published, thus, not peer reviewed. While it might look like actual research, it's just a pdf that anyone can put together, whereas public scientific research is peer reviewed, and thus paragraphs like

While the science being reported is esoteric and theoretical in many respects, such definitive results warrant further evaluation of this product as well as the use of scalar waves in other applications.

would probably be removed in case of publication as their results certainly do not warrant that - in fact, their results have nothing to do with "other applications" for example.

Secondly, I'd like to point out that the authors of the papers are indeed Medical Doctors (see "Facial beauty" and "Doctor Ben"), but not one that ever published any other scientific research (source: Google Scholar searches of "Paul Ver Hoeve", "Ver Hoeve Paul", "Ver Hoeve dermatology", "Ben Johnson dermatology")

In particular, while I support everyone that wants to genuinely help people with cancer, I would certainly not trust and stay away from anything that someone like Mr. Johnson endorses, since on his site he offers embarrassing and frankly hard to believe "complementary cures" for cancer such as "coffee enemas".

a coffee enema speeds up the detoxification process

Also elsewhere he suggest the use of many molecules which are not yet proven to work, or proven not to work, which is also not ethical at all.

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    I was thinking about checking out the doctor's credentials in my answer but you covered it very well. I wouldn't be surprised if these people either were discredited doctors or if their names were stolen in order to present this study. – DenisS Apr 12 '17 at 17:44
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    Worth noting that "Dr." Johnson appears to have been [ordered to stop practicing medicine](http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/BTJ-LicenseSurrender.pdf), with the stated reason being that one of his patients got an infection due to him not adequately sterilizing the equipment beforehand, to which he allegedly responded that such sterilization would've been unnecessary. More [here](http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2014/05/22/drinkable-sunscreen-doctor-ran-online-pill-mill/), but my impression's that no one cares about him enough to do anything more. – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 04:18
  • There is a "Published Research Library" at the bottom of the "Research" page. But you need to register to access it (which is a red flag in itself). Did you? – Taladris Apr 15 '17 at 05:23
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    @Taladris no, but all published research is available through other inidices: PubMed, Google Scholar... which is where I do my own checking. They don't have any article on "[scalar waves clinical trials](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=scalar+waves+AND+(Clinical+Trial%5Bptyp%5D)&cmd=DetailsSearch)" for example. – Sklivvz Apr 15 '17 at 11:28
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While anything is possible, there is absolutely no reason to believe these claims, mostly because the claims don't make any sense scientifically.

"Scalar waves" is a meaningless term, as claimed to have been applied here. It is a theoretical construct that exists in quantum theory, and the idea that they could imprint it in some sort of permanent, fixed way has no foundation in theoretical or practical science. It's a fancy-sounding buzzword.

The method of verification is suspect, as well. Any scientific claim would be backed by independent research, or at least research that was conducted in a controlled, randomized fashion with replicable results.

Their "research" was not a "randomized" clinical trial. The use of the term in their press releases suggests either a complete lack of understanding of what that term means, or a desire to deceive. They had 24 people stand outside for an hour and looked at whether they burned or not. I think they called it "randomized" because they weren't all the same person, gender, age.

This blogger filed a complaint about their completely unverified claims with the authorities in New Zealand and the complaint was upheld.

... I complained to the Advertising Standards Authority that this claim wasn't backed up by evidence and the complaint was upheld, now those products have been removed from their New Zealand website as a result.

... When a clinical trial is randomised, that means the participants are allocated into different groups in a way that is determined randomly. These different groups typically consist of an experimental group, which receives the treatment being tested, and a control group, that either receives a placebo or sham version of the treatment, or the standard care against which the experimental treatment is being compared. Randomly allocating participants into the groups helps avoid any systematic differences between groups that could be a source of bias in the results.

... Of course, this necessitates multiple groups for the participants to be included in.....

The actual test (their own press release quoted in the article) described a single group of 24 people of varying ages and ethnic backgrounds, and no control group to compare against.

Honest Universe: Harmonized Water

The makers of Harmonized Water (a.k.a. drinkable sunscreen) do a "clinical trial." Hilarity ensues.

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tl;dr- The collection of claims about "Harmonized Water" appear to be incoherent gibberish which prevents us from falsifying them ("not even wrong"). If this were a real product, a common chemistry lab device (UV spectrometer) could've easily demonstrated its ability to block UV rays.

EDIT: Reference (9) from the PDF on "Harmonized Water" appears to contain the most complete explanation of the underlying ideas that I've been able to find; "insane" would seem to be an understatement.

Most of the claims don't make sense

According to the PDF, Evaluation of a Novel Form of Sun Protection, the product works by:

Abstract This randomized clinical trial was designed to evaluate a product that utilizes a purported new technology, scalar waves, to provide sun protection. This examiner was skeptical about the claims of Harmonized Water and their “UV Neutralizer”. Reportedly the product is water (there is no other active ingredient) that contains a form of radio-frequencies called scalar waves. Using a proprietary device, the company claims to be able to imprint hundreds of thousands of specific scalar waves onto water that, when ingested, vibrate above the skin to neutralize UVA and UVB.

From a technical perspective, this doesn't make sense on several levels. Examples:

  • "Scalar waves" aren't a "new technology", but merely a description for one type of solution to the wave equation.

    • Hoax "science" has claimed that scalar waves cure things since 1991.
  • A radio frequency is a property of a radio wave, not a noun that can be "contained". So, claiming that it "contains a form of radio-frequencies" doesn't make any sense.

  • The idea of "imprinting" waves on water is pretty meaningless.

  • Most excess water is released by urination, not transported to the skin.

    • Oddly, the product website states that it's preferable to drink at least 2 ounces of water with it. This should cause even more of the product to be lost to urination.
  • How does the water "vibrate above the skin"?

    • Does the water get sweated out, evaporate, and then follow the user around like their own personal fog?
  • If the water works "above the skin", why drink it?

    • Most water's peed out or exhaled out.

    • Can just pour it over someone's skin, right?

  • "Hundreds of thousands" of "imprinted" water molecules would be about 0.00000000000000003 grams of "imprinted" water.

"Clinical trials" wouldn't be necessary

It's very easy to test for UV absorption in the lab. If you took a Chemistry lab in college, there's a good chance that you played with a UV spectrometer at some point. Wikipedia has a page for water.

Test procedure:

  1. Pour "Harmonized Water" into the UV spectrometer's sample holder and tell it to run.

  2. Repeat with normal water.

  3. Compare the results to see if "Harmonized Water" absorbed more UV radiation.

If "Harmonized Water" could be made to absorb more UV radiation, then its spectrum should show less UV radiation getting through than for normal water. This wouldn't require any math or other complicated analysis; you could tell instantly upon visual inspection because one line would be higher than the other in the UV range.

One of the "doctors" behind this claims that it doesn't affect the body

First, referring to "Dr." Johnson in quotes because at least one source alleges that he was ordered to stop practicing medicine.

Then he's been quoted as saying that drinking this "Harmonized Water" causes UV rays to be stopped before reaching the body. From "The Real Story Behind The New Drinkable Sunscreen":

But the fact that Harmonized H2O is not FDA-approved is not a concern for Dr Johnson. ‘This product is FDA exempt because we are not making SPF claims and we are not affecting the human body,’ he says. ‘The cancellation waves that are contained in the water vibrate at your skin level so the UVA/UVB cancellation actually happens above the skin.’

So I guess he's claiming that "Harmonized Water" causes people to emit radio waves that cancel out UV radiation at a distance?

If so, then that'd mean that the "Harmonized Water" should cause a local field of UV radiation cancellation. And if that's so, then why drink it, or even put it on your skin? Radio waves drop off with the inverse square law, so why not just keep a bottle of it near you, e.g. in your pocket?

A "not even wrong" case

The claims appear to be "not even wrong", as defined by Wikipedia:

The phrase "not even wrong" describes any argument that purports to be scientific but fails at some fundamental level, usually in that it contains a terminal logical fallacy or it cannot be falsified by experiment (i.e., tested with the possibility of being rejected), or cannot be used to make predictions about the natural world.


Addendum: Why "not even wrong" is worse than just "wrong".

In the comments below, we discussed the "wrong"-vs.-"not even wrong" distinction. To elaborate here...

Here's the ingredients list for some potato chips:

Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil (Sunflower, Corn, and/or Canola Oil), and Salt.

"LAY'S® Classic Potato Chips"

So they're not guaranteeing what sort of oil the chips'll have in them, just that it'll be sunflower, corn, and/or canola oil.

If an experiment's results would vary depending on the type of oil a particular bag of chips has in it, then presumably we'd get bad results if we did our tests with sunflower-oil chips and then assumed that they'd later apply to corn-oil chips. Still, vegetable oils are probably roughly interchangeable as far as most consumers are concerned.

If the seller then provided a bag of chips made with motor-oil, we could object because that'd violate the material definition specified in the ingredients-list. After all, motor-oil (in this sense) isn't sunflower, corn, and/or canola oil, and we can show the difference in a lab.

However, "Harmonized Water" is defined by stuff that is, as far as I can tell, gibberish. I'd argue that a rational person should reject this, but if someone accepts it, then the effective ingredients list becomes sorta like:

Ingredients: Water [modified in some manner of our choosing, at our sole discretion]

So, maybe a seller would choose to "imprint scalar waves" by microwaving tap water, and then we'll test microwaved tap water. Then this hypothetical seller might "imprint scalar waves" into the next batch by chanting mystical lyrics at the water. Then maybe the next batch'll be "imprinted with scalar waves" by having some bath salts mixed in.

Then how could a buyer ever test one batch and assume that their analysis of that batch will continue to apply to all future batches?

This makes not even wrong worse than merely being wrong: because, if their claim were merely wrong, presumably it'd be consistently wrong. Here, though, it seems unclear that experimental results are meaningful at all; in fact, even if the product appears to be safe-for-consumption when tested, it's unclear how we could be sure future batches would also be safe, let alone effective-or-ineffective.


UPDATE: Product page seems switched.

Clicking the link provided in the question statement now currently redirects to this product page:

Sun Defense Bronzing Elixir

GOLD-INFUSED & FREQUENCY-ENHANCED MINERALS

Enjoy the sunshine guilt-free with enhanced protection that's non-toxic and reef-safe. Sun Defense contains a clinically proven formula that reduces the damaging effects of UV exposure and enhances the protective tan your body naturally creates without blocking the health benefits of Vitamin D.

Apparently this is part of a rebranding effort:

Harmonized Waters
There have also been some exciting upgrades to the Frequency Enhanced Waters (now called Elixirs) from Osmosis. All of the Elixirs, which have new names, now contain 75 cell-activating, plant-based minerals that are 100,000 times smaller and more bio-available than any other mineral source. Replenishing nutrients that have been lost in our soil and food, while accelerating healthy immune and repair activity within the skin and body, these water-soluble fulvic and humic minerals enhance the body’s absorption of energy frequencies, reviving healthy cell function for restored overall well being and a thriving complexion. Beyond the mineral enhancement, you will also find luxurious flakes of 24-karat gold in the new clear bottles. Renowned for its ability to strengthen the immune system and reduce inflammation, gold is also said to sharpen mental focus, decrease stress, and enhance spiritual well-being. Please note, while the formulas have all changes, the foundational frequencies have not. If you used and loved a specific formula before, you will still use the same formula. It will just be more effective due to the minerals and have the additional benefits of the gold!
1. Skin Perfection is now Skin Perfection elixir
2. Inner Harmony is now Ageless Vitality elixir
3. Hormone Water is now Hormone Relief elixir
4. UV Water is now Sun Defense elixir (no tan) and Sun Defense Bronzing elixir (tan-enhancing)

"Osmosis Rebranding Guide" (2019-06-21)

This gave a few new things to search for in Google; found this site that lists a lot of crazy water beliefs, which links this page for "Harmonized Water".

Harmonized Water

Wonky Water

AKA "Osmosis Harmonized Water" to make it sound more scientific, this nostrum is directed at new-agers who believe in the healing power of mysterious "vibrations". They make the absurd claim that this snake oil "communicates energetically with cells that are imbalanced in an effort to restore a normal vibrational rate." [2013-02] See also this "Doubtful News" debunking article.

"Gallery of water-related pseudoscience" [formatting altered]

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    I started reading the references cited by the PDF. They discuss topics like using psychic powers, time travel, flower power, homeopathy, rewriting DNA, "exogenous non-linear energies" allegedly from Nicholas Tesla, generating new types of energies using a wrist watch, creating electromagnetic tornadoes, mind-over-matter regeneration, magnet-based healing, curing diseases with magnets, mind control, new types of quasi-particles, healing with sound, how the mind's state effects the healing properties of magnetic waves, etc.. – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 06:16
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    Overall, I'm really not sure if the authors are writing jokes or they're simply insane, but this stuff has no basis in reality whatsoever. – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 06:17
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    Have I been asleep for a couple of weeks? As this would have been better on April 1st! – dougal 5.0.0 Apr 15 '17 at 06:38
  • I don't think this is a case of "not even wrong". The effect claimed is that their product prevents sunburn. The mechanism they present is gibberish, but showing that it is, does not prove the effect is not present. Negating the precedent does not negate the consequent. – Sklivvz Apr 15 '17 at 11:45
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    @Sklivvz The problem's before that; in order to test the product, or make any sort of claim about a product, that product must be defined. The definition can't be "whatever we choose to put in a bottle with the label" because that's not a recognized consistent mode of definition, either scientifically or legally. So, we have to use the presented definition of "Harmonized Water", which is apparently pure water that's been modified by some undefined, nonsensical process. – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 12:13
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    @Sklivvz For example, if a drug company wants to sell a drug, they can't say, "We're selling XYZ", then run a clinical trial on a substance that comes out of "XYZ" bottles. If so, then they could later switch "XYZ" with something completely different after the trials, provided that they still put it in "XYZ" wrapping since that was the definition of "XYZ" from the start. This is why a material definition is required for testing, rather than a brand name. And since there doesn't appear to be a recognizable material definition, the claim's "not even wrong" because we can't even evaluate it. – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 12:22
  • @Nat there's a ton of research that can be done without a specific recipe, though - let me give you another, non obviously wrong, example: Soylent. Soylent is a food produce that's meant to be a 100% substitute for a healthy diet. While we only know its ingredients and nutrition information, which is the same that we know about Harmonized Water, we are still able to test whether Soylent is indeed what it claims to be. Let me give you a second example: homeopathic water. The explanation that water has a memory is nonsense and it has been directly proven wrong. (cont) – Sklivvz Apr 15 '17 at 12:28
  • Even then it took the research community years of studies to debunk the claimed effectiveness of homeopathy - do you think there would have been reason to do so if we could have simply claimed it was "not even wrong"? Final example: acupuncture. Currently there are two camps, one claiming it works, the other it does not. The official mechanism by which it works is bogus (chi energy), yet *Western* doctors still prescribe it because they thing it works, although by an unknown mechanism. Again, we can't just claim "not even wrong". – Sklivvz Apr 15 '17 at 12:32
  • @Sklivvz Homeopathy's a procedural approach that's well-defined in the context of the tests on it. Likewise, acupuncture is also a procedure that can be tested. In those cases, the alleged mechanism is not-even-wrong, but there is a material definition of something to be tested. Likewise, there could be a material definition of something to be tested if there were some recognizable way to reproduce "Harmonized Water". However, we _can't_ test "acupuncture" if we instead define it as "using needles with chi", since there's no way to tell if any given lab test actually employs "chi". – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 12:37
  • @Sklivvz The issue of proprietary substances is a working problem, as we're essentially testing a third party to handle the material definition. This basically means that we can't conduct a fully scientific analysis, though we sometimes overlook that limitation to some limited degree when the manufacturer is sufficiently trustworthy. This isn't a proper approach to science, but rather a compromise when a fully scientific approach can't be applied. [...] – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 12:43
  • @Sklivvz [...] In a case such as this, any test of a proprietary "Harmonized Water" trusts the manufacturer of "Harmonized Water" to handle a portion of the scientific process in a scientifically rigorous way. While it's usually uncomfortable to assign a third party this trust even in the case of mature, demonstrably reliable companies, it's especially dubious here. As another problem, clinical trials aren't a complete mode of product analysis, and thus even a properly conducted clinical analysis couldn't be taken as conclusive in the lack of overwhelming signals from a huge group. – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 12:47
  • @Nat very interesting, it's a valid point and this nuance would be a good improvement to your answer if you edit it in. It's not what comes across from your answer right now. – Sklivvz Apr 15 '17 at 12:51
  • @Sklivvz What points do you think might help improve this answer? – Nat Apr 15 '17 at 18:04
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    @Sklivvz the issue here is that the company gives a definition of Harmonized Water. However, that definition doesn't match up with the laws of physics or concepts in science. For instance, they claim it to be water imbued with "radio-frequencies". The problem there is that "radio-frequencies" cannot be placed into a substance... they are the rate at which a wave oscillates. If there is no wave then there is no frequency. So even if went and bought a bottle from the company, there's no actual way of testing their hypothesis as the substance they claim to use simply cannot exist to begin with! – user64742 Apr 15 '17 at 21:17
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    @TheGreatDuck I agree that the science is bogus, but the science of homeopathic water is equally bogus. The bad science presented is a red herring: it's very common for new discoveries to make no sense in science, initially. The issue is the *replicability* of the findings, because replicating the product is impossible. Nat, hope that answers your question too. – Sklivvz Apr 15 '17 at 22:23
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    @Sklivvz I'm referring to your argument against "not even wrong". The reason it is not even wrong is because the Harmonized water physically doesn't even make sense as a description. They're saying they shoved a rate of change into water. What if I said that earlier today I ate joules of work in the form of cereal? It's not an issue of physical impossibility. It's that the term they used isn't even defined to mean a physical substance or quantity. So you can't put it into an object. It's a quality, not an object. The water could be moving as radio frequencies perhaps, but then it couldn't... – user64742 Apr 15 '17 at 22:34
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    (continued)...be moving in scalar waves either (which are something that haven't even been discovered... just predicted by quantum mechanics) as then they wouldn't have a frequency equivalent to radio waves. Furthermore, to claim the water was moving like that would be similar to claiming the water is agitated. It is not even testable. The company itself could not create the product... by definition it doesn't exist. – user64742 Apr 15 '17 at 22:36
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    `How does the water "vibrate above the skin"? Does the water get sweated out, evaporate, and then follow the user around like their own personal fog?` I laughed when I first read that claim and laughed again at your thoughts on it. Have an upvote. – Brian Apr 17 '17 at 15:30
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    Also, this would be a great product if it could give people a "personal fog". Fog parties would become an overnight sensation. – Brian Apr 17 '17 at 15:30
  • I'm sure that with “vibrates above the skin” they meant to imply that it produces an electromagnetic field of sorts which extends outside the body i.e. does not require a chemical film like topical application of sunscreens. – can-ned_food Apr 17 '17 at 18:23
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    I was with you until you started attacking "flower power." Still upvoted, but grudgingly. – PoloHoleSet Apr 18 '17 at 18:12