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"The applied theory of price", by Donald N McCloskey claims:

If all people flushed their toilets at once, the city water mains would burst.

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How much damage (if at all) will a drainage system in a modern city incur if every household flushed their toilets at once?

  • Removed "what if" part as off topic and retagged. Can you edit in the specific textbook in question? Thanks. – Sklivvz Mar 04 '17 at 10:38
  • @Sklivvz Thanks for editing. Yes, I've added that. – ghosts_in_the_code Mar 04 '17 at 11:21
  • Seems like a question for Randall Munroe: https://what-if.xkcd.com/ – Jimmy M. Mar 04 '17 at 15:23
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    Long ago, before cable, you could watch a TV show only when it was broadcast. And of course everyone watched the Ed Sullivan show on Sunday nights. It was said that there was a noticeable decrease in water pressure in certain cities whenever Ed Sullivan had a commercial, presumably from many toilets flushing then. But I heard no stories of water main breaks because of that. – GEdgar Mar 04 '17 at 15:57
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    Recommend this be submitted to http://what-if.xkcd.com/ – Shadur Mar 04 '17 at 21:49
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    I know that waterworks and electrical companies / electrical grid operators in germany prepare for big soccer events, because the flushing of toilets during the half-time is difficult to handle, but more difficult is the sudden increase in power consumption when people switch lights on and open the fridge to get fresh beer. For events that have a lot of viewers, like e.g. the 2006 WM this is important. I sadly don#t have sources at hand, otherwise I'd post an answer. – Polygnome Mar 04 '17 at 22:41
  • I imagine the extent of the overall impact would depend on the volume of the stuff being flushed . – Old_Fossil Mar 07 '17 at 05:25
  • @Polygnome I think the electricity is more a threat than the water, as 10% is nothing for water (think 6bar vs 6.6bar, that's difference in scale of meters of height), but it's a lot for electricity (230V vs 207V is surely noticeable for some appliances, something could be tripped off, and certainly it's way off the allowed limits) – yo' Mar 09 '17 at 14:34
  • @yo' Its also noticeable for the waterworks, at least where I come from in NRW where density is quite high, and a lot of the water infrastructure is quite old. Its nothing they can#t cope with, but it makes problem if its not anticipated. – Polygnome Mar 09 '17 at 14:53

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There have been fairly similar things happening before. Consider Edmonton during the 2010 US-Canada gold medal hockey game:

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Here the green represents the previous day while the blue is the day of the game. Note the preparation before the game and the intermissions. The difference in the peak and trough at the end of the ceremony is 140 million liters. In a city of less than 900k people, this is about 160 liters per person. That's a couple dozen flushes each.

However, the biggest issue is that people aren't the only things that use water. According to this article, industrial water usage represents 40% of municipal water usage. So you would expect to see only an increase from 100% to 160% if someone did this.

Now, my city, Calgary, used 176 billion liters of water in 2014. This is over 20 liters per minute on average. Surely the peak times are much higher than this mean. The 1.2 million flushes of one gallon of water taking one minute to fill would only increase the mean by about 6%, and surely the peak is significantly less.

I think it's safe to say no, it would not come close to breaking.

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  • `I think it's safe to say no, it would not come close to breaking.` At least, *not in Canada...* – xDaizu Mar 06 '17 at 12:44
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    I don't see any particular reason why major cities in Albeta (the two I'm most familiar with) would have drastically different water parameters than other cities in the world at least in the context of the claim. – corsiKa Mar 06 '17 at 15:00
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This is a hypothetical question - one that is unlikely to be answered by empirical evidence, so we need to rely on the opinions of appropriate experts.

Huffington Post set out to speak to two experts:

According to Michael Johnson, a civil engineer at the Utah Water Research Laboratory who models fluid flow in sewer systems, the consequences of mass flushing would range from negligible to pipe explosions depending on where you are.

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Most cities could handle the flicks of all those handles without the risk of a water hammer. “I would think that most cities have water supply systems that are robust enough to handle the refilling of all toilets simultaneously,” said Ed Maurer, a civil engineer at Santa Clara University and a hydraulics expert. “For example, if one tank served 25 percent of my city (25,000 people) and even if we assume everyone had their own toilet to flush, the standard 1.6 gal/flush toilet would create a total need for 40,000 gallons, which is equivalent to a small pool.” Not so much in the grand scheme of things.

As for the outgoing sewage, we’d probably be saved from a plumbing disaster by a technicality: Simultaneous flushes don’t seem simultaneous from the perspective of the main sewer line. “A simultaneous flush would result in sewage arriving at a main trunk line from toilets further from the branch connection arriving much later than sewage nearer the branch to trunk connection,” Johnson said. In other words, rather than a peak, the main would receive a smooth curve of commode contributions.

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