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I'm skeptical of this claim:

twitter image about something attributed to gavin newsom

And did he even say that?

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On the basis of relating the claim to proportion of seats held by women in national parliaments (%) as a part of elected governments referring to World Bank Inter-Parliamentary Union data, the answer would be yes.

United States has lesser percentage of proportion of seats held by women in national parliaments than the other countries per numbers mentioned below.

  • Cuba-49%
  • China-24%
  • Iraq-27%
  • Afghanistan-28%
  • United States-19%
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    Note that in Afghanistan's case this is somewhat misleading. The country's constitution, which they drafted and accepted while there were lots of US troops in their country, sets aside 25% of their seats for women. There's no way of knowing what an unencumbered vote would give, but given that they only got about 3% of the rest of the seats, I think its fair to say it would be less than 28% (but at least 3%). – T.E.D. May 31 '16 at 21:33
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    I have the impression that militant-theocratic nations view the government as just a housekeeper. The *real* decisions are made by the religious and military leaders. – Joe L. May 31 '16 at 22:23
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    @JoeL. None of the governments mentioned in the quote are theocracies, so I'm not sure how that comment is relevant. – user2752467 May 31 '16 at 22:30
  • Since we don't have a parliament, shouldn't our figure be 0%? Or does something else (e.g. Congress) "count" as a "parliament"? – Max von Hippel Jun 01 '16 at 04:33
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    @MaxvonHippel It is a _general_ term. Skeptics is for fact finding not terminology picking. – Insane Jun 01 '16 at 05:11
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    Could also add that for example both India and Pakistan (Muslims!) have had women as head of their Government - ie. as Prime Minister, the leader of their Cabinet (although admittedly not as President, the Head of State... but in these countries those positions are more ceremonial). – Baard Kopperud Jun 01 '16 at 19:03
  • It should be pointed out that at least concerning the U.S, " the number of women in government" and the proportion of seats held by women in national parliament" are very, very different concepts. There are literally tens of thousands of elected governmental bodies here in America. If you were to take what is probably the most natural meaning of "women in government" as, well, the absolute total number of women elected to government positions in the country, obviously the U.S. number would be far, far, far larger than the totals that would apply to any of those nations mentioned. – mostlyinformed Jun 02 '16 at 08:10
  • The real problem with Newsom's statement (if he did actually say said exactly that) is that it's grossly misleading as written. It obviously attempts to shock by conjuring an image in the reader or listener's head that somehow the U.S.--an advanced Western country of 330+ million people--somehow has *fewer women serving in government* than vastly less populous countries and/or nations that have more obvious overall shortfalls on women's rights. However, the support offered for that "fact" goes no farther than the *percentage* of women serving in a *national legislative body*. – mostlyinformed Jun 02 '16 at 08:58
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Since the validity of the claim has already been expertly addressed, I'll answer the second part:

And did he even say that?

Yes, apparently in the 2011 documentary Miss Representation. I can't find a direct source for the quote in the film itself and I haven't seen it, but I did find the book What Will It Take to Make A Woman President? by Marianne Schnall on Google Books.

One of the chapters is an interview with Gavin Newsom, and on pages 158-169:

MS: I remember in Miss Representation, you said this line and it was shocking to hear: "If more people knew that Cuba, China, Iraq, and Afghanistan have more women in government than the United States of America, that would get some people upset."

Note that the wording is slightly different than the image in the original post, so presumably it or Schnall slightly misquoted Newsom.

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