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I've found many web-sites that warn against anti-psychotics.

But antipsychotic treatment has a negative impact on the brain, so … we must get the word out that they should be used with great care, because even though they have fewer side effects than some of the other medications we use, they are certainly not trouble free and can have lifelong consequences for the health and happiness of the people and families we serve. - source

What is the truth about those products? Do they have negative lifelong consequences concerning neurons impairment, hormones level?

George Chalhoub
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    I'm concerned this is very broad. There are many anti-psychotic drugs, and they may each have many different side-effects. The article you cite refers to one particular effect (loss of cranial size) and talks about a *correlation*, not *causality*. (Consider if schizophrenia caused smaller brain mass, or alternatively smaller brain mass caused schizophrenia. Either way, we might expect the smaller the brain size, the worse the schizophrenia, the greater the medication. Correlation does not equal causality.) Does anyone explicitly claim anti-psychotics cause harm greater than the benefits? – Oddthinking Mar 14 '15 at 02:21
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    @Oddthinking There are only two major classes of antipsychotic drugs, and both of them are firmly established to have extremely unhealthy long-term side effects (I don't have time to source these claims right now, which is why I'm not posting this as an answer -- but I can vouch that it's an answerable question, and shouldn't be closed). – octern Mar 14 '15 at 06:13
  • Okay, it seems the claim is notable. – Oddthinking Mar 14 '15 at 08:31
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    Are you asking about all possible/various negative effects e.g. including diabetes, tardive dyskinesia, etc., of each and every anti-psychotic; or are you only asking about the specific negative effect i.e. 'loss of brain tissue' that's claimed in the source you referenced? – ChrisW Mar 14 '15 at 10:50
  • @ChrisW yes my links are focused on brain modifications, (whether they are from the mental illness or the drugs is a good question raised by Oddthinking), I'd like to know what is the impact of such drugs, they seem really powerful, so really worrying if their effect is not exactly what we want, or if there are persistent side-effects – caub Mar 14 '15 at 15:47
  • @octern I'd be really interested by your contribution, also where does paliperidone range for example? I assume it has the same effects than older antipsychotics? Are there persistent modifications after only a short use (3 months/4 injections/425mg then withdrawal for the moment)? – caub Mar 14 '15 at 18:04
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    @ChrisW I was responding to the general question "Do they have negative lifelong consequences" -- as you mentioned, the really big ones are tardive dyskinesia and diabetes. If we restrict the question to the brain shrinkage claims, I think the evidence is still at an early stage and can't say much either way. – octern Mar 14 '15 at 20:56
  • Should I change the title to: "Would a psychiatrist give antipsychotics to his child?" to get a reply? – caub Mar 24 '15 at 00:56

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Evidence of brain shrinkage:

Quoted from Dr. Joanna Moncrieff, a Senior Lecturer in psychiatry at University College London and a practising consultant psychiatrist, since she did the research:

In 2011, researchers, led by the former editor of the American Journal of Psychiatry, Nancy Andreasen, [...] found a strong correlation between the level of antipsychotic treatment someone had taken over the course of the follow-up period, and the amount of shrinkage of brain matter as measured by repeated MRI scans. The group concluded that "antipsychotics have a subtle but measurable influence on brain tissue loss"

The study:

Ho BC, Andreasen NC, Ziebell S, Pierson R, Magnotta V. Long-term Antipsychotic Treatment and Brain Volumes: A Longitudinal Study of First-Episode Schizophrenia. Arch Gen Psychiatry 2011 Feb;68(2):128-37.


In 2005, another American group, led by Jeffrey Lieberman who headed up the CATIE study, published the largest scanning study up to that point of people with a first episode of psychosis or schizophrenia. The study was funded by Eli Lilly, and consisted of a randomised comparison of Lilly’s drug olanzapine (Zyprexa) and the older drug haloperidol. Patients were scanned at the start of the study, 12 weeks and one year later and patients’ scans were compared with those of a control group of ‘healthy’ volunteers.

At 12 weeks haloperidol-treated subjects showed a statistically significant reduction of the brain’s grey matter (the nerve cell bodies) compared with controls, and at one year both olanzapine- and haloperidol-treated subjects had lost more grey matter than controls.

In both haloperidol and olanzapine treated patients,however, there was a consistent effect that was diffuse and visible in most parts of the brain hemispheres.

The study:

Lieberman JA, Tollefson GD, Charles C, Zipursky R, Sharma T, Kahn RS, et al. Antipsychotic drug effects on brain morphology in first-episode psychosis. Arch Gen Psychiatry 2005 Apr;62(4):361-70.


Experiment on monkey (could be helpful):

It seems as if Eli Lilly and its collaborators were so confident about their preferred explanation, that they set up a study to investigate the effects of olanzapine and haloperidol in macaque monkeys. This study proved beyond reasonable doubt that both antipsychotics cause brain shrinkage. After 18 months of treatment monkeys treated with olanzapine or haloperidol, at doses equivalent to those used in humans, had approximately 10% lighter brains than those treated with a placebo preparation.

The study:

Dorph-Petersen KA, Pierri JN, Perel JM, Sun Z, Sampson AR, Lewis DA. The influence of chronic exposure to antipsychotic medications on brain size before and after tissue fixation: a comparison of haloperidol and olanzapine in macaque monkeys. Neuropsychopharmacology 2005 Sep;30(9):1649-61.

Dr. Moncrieff presented more evidence too (12 papers) and concluded at the end:

What should antipsychotic users and their families and carers make of this research? Obviously it sounds frightening and worrying, but the first thing to stress is that the reductions in brain volume that are detected in these MRI studies are small, and it is not certain that changes of this sort have any functional implications. We do not yet know whether these changes are reversible or not. Of course the value of antipsychotics has been much debated on this site and elsewhere, and their utility almost certainly depends on the particular circumstances of each individual user, so it is impossible to issue any blanket advice. If people are worried, they need to discuss the pros and cons of continuing to take antipsychotic treatment with their prescriber, bearing in mind the difficulties that are associated with coming off these drugs. People should not stop drug treatment suddenly, especially if they have been taking it for a long time.


People need to know about this research because it indicates that antipsychotics are not the innocuous substances that they have frequently been portrayed as. We still have no conclusive evidence that the disorders labeled as schizophrenia or psychosis are associated with any underlying abnormalities of the brain, but we do have strong evidence that the drugs we use to treat these conditions cause brain changes. This does not mean that taking antipsychotics is not sometimes useful and worthwhile, despite these effects, but it does mean we have to be very cautious indeed about using them.

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  • So they would be more *persistent* than *permanent* after a short use? Thanks for your reply, I'm not reassured now, those drugs look terrifying, destructing the brain, infertilize. Mental death if it's permanent, hopefully not for me, but still a long way to recover – caub Mar 27 '15 at 17:47
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IMO when George quoted from Dr. Moncrieff's article, Antipsychotics and Brain Shrinkage: An Update, he chose the wrong paragraph to use as a summary, and I think that this paragraph is the better summary,

What should antipsychotic users and their families and carers make of this research? Obviously it sounds frightening and worrying, but the first thing to stress is that the reductions in brain volume that are detected in these MRI studies are small, and it is not certain that changes of this sort have any functional implications. We do not yet know whether these changes are reversible or not. Of course the value of antipsychotics has been much debated on this site and elsewhere, and their utility almost certainly depends on the particular circumstances of each individual user, so it is impossible to issue any blanket advice. If people are worried, they need to discuss the pros and cons of continuing to take antipsychotic treatment with their prescriber, bearing in mind the difficulties that are associated with coming off these drugs.(12) People should not stop drug treatment suddenly, especially if they have been taking it for a long time.

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