Did/do women select for protectiveness in their mates?

Question

This claim is made by Smuts and Gubernick:

An additional mechanism shaping female preference for stronger mates could have been the increased survival benefits conveyed to offspring. Smuts and Gubernick (1992) point out that in many non-human primate species, infants benefit from paternal involvement in that they are less at risk of injury by predators and conspecific males with tendencies for infanticide. These authors extend this logic to humans such that male investment in offspring is purported to have evolved through sexual selection based on females' preference for indicators of men's abilities and willingness to protect offspring. Preferences for protection benefited ancestral women by increasing the survival chances of their offspring. Attributes associated with offering greater protection benefited ancestral men by giving them more sexual access to women. In support of the idea that women prefer mate characteristics related to protection, Buss found that women, more than men, valued height and physical strength in a potential mate.

Is this true?

@ChrisW: Of course that proves nothing. Everything has counter-examples — Casebash, Sep 29 '13 at 12:12
I guess this question, as it is, would be a better fit for Biology.SE. Otherwise there is no notable claim to investigate... — nico, Sep 29 '13 at 12:26
This question appears unanswerable. What sort of evidence would you accept as a Yes or a No answer? — Oddthinking, Sep 29 '13 at 13:22
@ChrisW: These macro level questions can't be answered by cherry-picking examples. For example, if you wanted to know if women are typically paid less than men, you'd have to conduct a proper survey, not just have random commentators post comments about how a man is getting an extra 15k, despite being horrible at his job — Casebash, Sep 29 '13 at 14:24
@Oddthinking: The question being asked is 1) whether men have an urge to protect women 2) whether some component of this is biological rather than social I'm not a sociology expert so I'm not going to define test procedures. Surely somebody has done some research on this topic - and they can define what counts as proper procedure for these questions — Casebash, Sep 29 '13 at 14:28
@Casebash The definitions and clarification will likely come from you choosing an example of this claim for us to verify. — , Sep 29 '13 at 15:41
Does someone else want to come up with some definitions of "urge" and some notable claims to make this question specific and testable? Currently, it is far from clear that there is a falsifiable claim here. (Is it an "urge"? Aren't there many examples of women protecting men and children too? Is it cultural? Does [kin selection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection) count?) — Oddthinking, Sep 29 '13 at 15:59
@Oddthinking We don't require that claims be falsifiable. I think finding an example of a notable claim (with vague definitions or not) will be sufficient to reopen this question. — , Sep 29 '13 at 16:10
@Sancho: I don't think it is as simple as that. [See this mess](http://meta.skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2198/how-should-unfalsifiable-claims-be-handled) and see if you can work out our official position. Currently, I am ignorant of any potential method to prove this question true or false. Finding that Oprah (for example) made the claim won't change this, unless she defined a lot of terms very carefully. — Oddthinking, Sep 29 '13 at 16:42
@Oddthinking I can't sort it out from that discussion, but I've never seen a close due to something being unfalsifiable, and I can give several examples of things being left open despite their unfalsifiability (http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/15732/are-yowies-real, http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/15684/have-extra-terrestrials-ever-been-in-contact-with-humans?lq=1, http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/788/do-ghosts-exist) Whatever our position is, it is not "all questions must be falsifiable". — , Sep 29 '13 at 16:52
@Oddthinking Somebody else might be very familiar with this field of research and the accepted methods for studying such a vague question. We should give such a person opportunity to answer, if we find an example of this claim. — , Sep 29 '13 at 16:55
@Sancho: that is why I think this is a better fit for Biology.SE... — nico, Sep 29 '13 at 17:01
@nico In its current form, certainly. Right now it's just questions. But, if Casebash presents an example of the claim, it becomes just as on-topic here. — , Sep 29 '13 at 17:14
@Oddthinking: So can you explain what you mean by untestable? Are you saying it's untestable because I'm asking if the urge (assuming it exists) is biological, rather than social? That's difficult to test, but nowhere near impossible — Casebash, Sep 29 '13 at 22:36
Casebash, @Sancho: Let's continue in [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10817/is-the-biological-urges-question-answerable) — Oddthinking, Sep 29 '13 at 23:50
There was some reasearch in military. Israels army had problems with soldiers protecting the women in combat instead of doing their duty. I just read that somewhere and didnt check it further but this kind of research could answer the question. — Stephan Schielke, Sep 30 '13 at 09:22
@Oddthinking: evidence that should be used in a good answer: good peer reviewed research in cultural anthropology and/or evolutionary psych. — user5341, Oct 01 '13 at 17:56

Yisela · Accepted Answer · 2013-10-10T20:29:38.217

It is true to an extent, because you can't really draw a line between nature and culture. I don't think there's a definite answer to this question, but I'll try to share some theories around it.

From an evolutionary point of view, female hominids have always invested a big part of their time and energy in their offspring's survival. Our babies take a very long time to develop, and they do it outside the womb (because the hominid brain is so big, it needs to keep growing after the infant is born, otherwise it won't fit through the pelvis).

African hominoids, including chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes), gorillas (Gorilla gorilla), and humans (Homo sapiens; Gagneux et al., 1999), share a number of parenting mechanisms with other placental mammals, including internal gestation, lactation, and attachment mechanisms involving neuropeptides such as oxytocin.

_{Geary et al., 2001}

Early hominids combined hunting and scavenging, and used mostly scavenging because they were competing with large predators (this article by Mark Fox expands on the subject). Scavenging is something a female hominid can potentially do while carrying an infant, while hunting would be technically impossible until the baby has grown up. This doesn't mean males went hunting and females stayed in a cave feeding their babies 24/7, it just means a more balanced distribution of tasks would mean more chances of infants living up to adulthood and reproducing.

A lot of factors played in this subtle 'evolution' of families and groups. Charles Darwin (1871) was the first to propose that competition for mates plays an important role in reproductive success (he called this process sexual selection). Stronger males have an 'advantage': they can protect their group and offspring against other groups and against predators more effectively.

Intergroup conflict is undeniably pervasive across human societies (...) There are reliable accounts of intergroup conflict in past hunter–gatherer societies—usually via raiding and ambushing—killing substantial numbers of people.

_{McDonald et al., 2012}

Now, a larger / taller man may have been able to provide more protection, have greater genetic qualities to pass on to their future children (or look like he does), and even be awarded with a better social status. But we can't talk only in biological terms, because we are (also, or mainly) cultural beings. The previous seems valid and proven for hominids, but what about modern Homo Sapiens?

Through studying group structure and complex social relationships, we've learned that human ancestors may have acted similar to primates -- grooming and all

_{Nakamura, 2003}

We can't be absolutely certain on how these behaviours have changed during our evolution as a species, but we do know culture and language have played a major role in how things developed.

Culture mediates our relationships with other people, with the environment, with spirits and deities, and with abstract or imagined worlds like mathematics and the future. Culture provides the context for language, without which our ability to think would be grossly constrained (however often we find ourselves at a loss for words), and it makes possible our endlessly diverse modes of social cooperation and conflict. Culture encompasses much of what makes us distinctively human.

_Source

There is a consensus that through evolution, female hominids seem to have sexually selected stronger males as mates. There is also a consensus that primate behaviour studies can shed some light not only on how our ancestors lived, but also on our species as it is now.

The moment we start talking about culture, these extrapolations become extremely complex, and our current tools not good enough to deepen them. While some biological pressure might still exist, what was once considered a good mate has drifted to a whole new set of characteristics. Being protective can now mean having resources, having money or being a position of power.

In order to optimize their inclusive ﬁtness, women may look for a man who is relatively older (and has thus had more time to accrue material and political wealth) and of high social status. It should be noted that these preferences are not always at the conscious level, but are theorized to have been ingrained into the human psyche as innate responses through the process of evolution.

_{Braun & Bryan, 2006}

Some references:

Pawlowski, B., Dunbar, R. I. M., & Lipowicz, A. (2000). Tall men have more reproductive success. Nature, 403, 156.
Nakamura, Michio. "'Gatherings' of social grooming among wild chimpanzees: implications for evolution of sociality." Journal of Human Evolution. 44, 1. 59-71. 2003.
Braun, M. F., & Bryan, A. (2006). Female waist-to-hip and male waist-to-shoulder ratios as determinants of romantic desirability. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 23, 805-819.
Gills, J. S., & Avis, W. E. (1980). The male-taller norm in mate selection. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 6, 396-401.
Fink, B., Neave, N., Brewer, G., & Pawlowski, B. (2007). Variable preferences for sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS): Further evidence for an adjustment in relation to own height. Personality and Individual Differences, 43, 2249-2257.
Buss, D., M. (1998). The evolution of human intrasexual competition: Tactics of mate attraction. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 54, 616-628.
Pawlowski, B., & Jasienska, G. (2005). Women’s preferences for sexual dimorphism in height depend on menstrual cycle phase and expected duration of relationship. Biological Psychology, 70, 38-43.

_{Note: This is my first answer in Skeptics, please let me know how I can make it better!}

`please let me know how I can make it better!` -- Can you provide a reference/quote to support the 2nd-last sentence, i.e. "As with everything, the general consensus is that yes, there is a 'selection' based on many traits, one of them being protection." — ChrisW, Oct 10 '13 at 08:38
Is there evidence, and/or how much consensus is there, for whether current behaviour (current preferences) is affected or caused by prehistoric or pre-human conditions? Or is it all just hypotheses? — ChrisW, Oct 10 '13 at 09:03

Did/do women select for protectiveness in their mates?

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