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Evolutionists generally believe that although the spontaneous generation of life from non-living matter was a highly improbable event, the amount of time available is long enough to overcome this problem. This fallacy is because they (and most of us, really) just haven’t gotten around to some actual calculating on some of these problems

Answers in Genesis

Did life happen by chance?

If life could spontaneously exist by chance, then why have scientists not been able to create life in the laboratory with controlled experiments?

Likewise, if scientists cannot succeed in creating life in the laboratory, then what evidence is there that life could create itself by chance?


Related:

Can scientists create totally synthetic life?

Can scientists create a life-form yet?

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    I have opened a [meta discussion](http://meta.skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2292) – Brian M. Hunt May 07 '13 at 21:24
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    To everyone: for comments unrelated to improving the quality of this question, please continue the discussion in chat. –  May 07 '13 at 21:24
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    I've fixed the question, it's both notable and interesting, do remove the down votes and close votes if you please. – Sklivvz May 08 '13 at 00:10
  • I've massively cleaned up these comments. Many were obsolete after the three last edits, and a few were a bit angry... let's keep this civil and work within the rules of the site. – Sklivvz May 08 '13 at 10:24
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    one thing that is related to this is the [law of truly large numbers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_truly_large_numbers), which means that even if earth is an average planet and if there's a [mole](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_%28unit%29) of them then life on at least one of them is looking very likely – ratchet freak May 08 '13 at 11:04
  • This question got a stack of deserved close votes. Then it was edited. I don't think the closed votes were deserved any longer. Then it got enough to actually get closed. :-( I could re-open it, but I don't like to directly contradict the community's voice. Instead, I encourage people to vote to reopen. – Oddthinking May 09 '13 at 15:40
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    I just can't see how those final two paragraphs are questions suitable for SE. They just show a lack of understanding of probability and chance. – Rory Alsop May 09 '13 at 18:16
  • @Oddthinking Really should be reopened now. A clear claim, better formulation of the actual questions at issue (I hope the OP will accept that this is the way things work here). And already has at least one decent answer. – matt_black May 09 '13 at 21:57
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    I made a subtle change to the title to improve its answerability: we don't have time machines, so a pedant might argue we can never *prove* what happened. But we can demonstrate the principles are plausible: hence I replaced "did" with "could" in the title. – matt_black May 09 '13 at 22:04
  • Short answer: yes. – chirale May 19 '13 at 06:57
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    Am I the only one that has my nerves put on edge as soon as you see the word "evolutionist"? It immediately makes me think that the questioner has no honest intent to learn, but is rather trolling? (And I realize that it's in a quote, but still, just makes me dismiss any words after it...) – JasonR Aug 18 '14 at 13:28

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Well, the fundamental flaw in the entire premise is an understanding of the word "chance" as well as what scientists have done in the field of abiogenesis... The entire "answers in genesis" argument is a strawman (amongst many other logical fallacies), so I really don't think it's worth addressing. However, abiogenesis itself is a NEW and exciting field of study. Several strides have been made in that field, but we're in the same stage of understanding as we were on evolution prior to the discovery and understanding of DNA. Also, there is the constant confusion of abiogenesis and evolution that creationists conflate. Again, it's a strawman and disingenuous at best.

For instance, in 2010, Dr. Craig Venter actually used a bacterial shell and wrote DNA for it.

Scientists have created the world's first synthetic life form in a landmark experiment that paves the way for designer organisms that are built rather than evolved.

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The new organism is based on an existing bacterium that causes mastitis in goats, but at its core is an entirely synthetic genome that was constructed from chemicals in the laboratory.

(Another variation on the same report.) Interestingly, Venter's work was derived from an earlier 2002 effort to work with viruses and cDNA fragments.

Keep in mind, this is only a synthetic genome, not a truly unique organism created from scratch. Although I am confident that the technology will become available in the future. As has been pointed out, the entire genome wasn't built de novo, but rather most of it was copied from a baseline which was built up from the base chemicals with no biological processes, and then the watermarks were added (still damn impressive since they took inorganic matter and made a living cell function with it). But they are working at building a totally unique genome from scratch (PDF).

This is actually quite an emerging field, so much so that the MIT press has set up an entire series of journals for this. As far as to the purpose of these artificial organisms, most research funded by companies are meant to be for specific purposes that biology hasn't solved yet (such as a bacteria that eats a toxic waste or something). Although, a lot of people are concerned about scientists venturing into the domain of theology.

In terms of abiogenesis, there are many resources to learn more about this. Here is a list of 88 papers that discuss the natural mechanisms of abiogenesis (this list is a little old, so I am sure that there are many, many more papers at this time).

I also found this list of links and resources for artificial life. I cannot verify the usefulness of this since the field is a bit outside my area of expertise. However, it does seem quite extensive.

EDIT TO ADD: Now we have "XNA" (a totally synthetic genome) on the way.

One can argue that no one has managed to just let an experiment "sit and stew" resulting in abiogenesis. To the best of my knowledge, that is indeed true. However, since we don't know what really led to abiogenesis yet, the list of 88 papers (and many more) are the best framework we have towards understanding that. In the meantime, letting something "sit and stew" may be an experiment beyond the scope of human endeavours. Hence why we accelerate our understanding with the various other experiments.




Even though I said I wouldn't address the strawman, I guess I must since it's so central to the caricature you seem to have in your mind of abiogenesis and evolution. Consider the below "supplemental material" not central to the answer, but still important to understand if you have any hope of actually understanding the answer.

A bit of an essay about "chance" because I have it handy. I have been informed that quoting it here is not appropriate, so the two specific items are #9 and #11 on the list. (The page may sound somewhat rude and insulting, so keep in mind it was written for a different audience and purpose. And the author is British, and they do have a way with words.) Additionally, it addresses "figures" and "calculations" that creationists frequently use. By the way, it should be telling that all the creationist arguments are the same predictable ones that show up repeatedly with no new information. It's so telling that many individuals have written extensive replies, to the common and asinine objections of creationists.

And even more reading for your education:

Abiogenesis is the field of science dedicated to studying how life might have arisen for the first time on the primordial young Earth. Despite the enormous progress that has been made since the Miller-Urey experiment, abiogenesis is under constant attack from creationists, who continually claim that the origin of life by random natural processes is so unlikely as to be, for all practical purposes, impossible. Following are some articles that challenge this claim and demonstrate the fundamental misconception at the core of the creationists' arguments.

Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and Probability of Abiogenesis Calculations How likely is it that even a single bacterium could form by chance in the primordial sea? Not very likely, that's for sure, and creationists have been only too happy to provide ludicrously huge numbers purporting to be the odds against such a thing. However, even if these calculations are correct, they are irrelevant, as modern theories of abiogenesis require nothing of the kind to happen. This article briefly illustrates what abiogenesis really is and shows why the creationists' probability calculations do not matter.

Borel's Law and the Origin of Many Creationist Probability Assertions Creationists have asserted that a statistical principle called "Borel's Law" mathematically demonstrates that abiogenesis is impossible. This article explains what Borel's Law is and shows that Borel himself clearly understood that his law was not relevant to the probability of the origin of life.

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    Steve, nice takedown! :) – JasonR May 08 '13 at 11:16
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    Good start to an answer (+1) but there is still room for a definitive explanation as to why any process involving imperfect replication plus selection can yield apparently highly improbable outcomes via small steps. This is the heart of the creationist probabilistic argument from incredulity and deserves a definitive response. – matt_black May 09 '13 at 22:01
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    @matt_black not sure I could do it without questioning their intelligence and integrity. ;) Let me think on it and see what I can come up with though. I should be able to douse my gobsmack of such mental castration. – Larian LeQuella May 10 '13 at 01:26
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    For a great illustration of how a process of imperfect replication plus selection can yield an improbable result, look for Richard Dawkins "Methinks it is like a weasel" program as described in "The Blind Watchmaker". A quick Google search will find it. – Mark May 20 '13 at 17:09
  • @Mark the creationist response is large amounts of information are in the selection function for Dawkin's program, so still begs the question. – yters Jan 14 '17 at 23:08
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Tackling the "what evidence is there that life could create itself by chance?" element:

We know that many important complex chemicals exist in space, such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PANHs) and organic molecules.

We know that some complex chemicals can form "autocatalytic networks," which can sustain the creation of (local) order given the proper inputs. (This is not a violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.)

We know that fatty acids can form vesicles (containers) that may trap other chemicals and provide a reactor for complex chemical reactions.

We know that vesicles can absorb radiative energy and drive chemical reactions.

Of course, what we know falls a long way short of an existence proof, but it's evidence that some of the complex prerequisites exist.

Beyond that, one can see interesting research from Nobel Laureate Jack Szostok on topics such as self-replicating vesicles and Craig Venter's work creating a self-replicating synthetic bacterial cell, which demonstrates, at the least, that a non-natural "spark" is not necessary. (I don't understand the logic in your comment in which you dismiss this with "[despite] decades of failed efforts they are still no closer to doing what 'mother nature' supposedly did by accident." Surely Venter and Szostok are closing in on something. Would your skepticism vanish if Venter showed a built-from-scratch bacterium? Or do you have a notable claim or evidence that they will never succeed?)

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I going to quote Wikipedia for definitional purposes only:

In philosophy, systems theory, science, and art, emergence is a phenomenon whereby larger entities arise through interactions among smaller or simpler entities such that the larger entities exhibit properties the smaller/simpler entities do not exhibit.

Emergence is central in theories of integrative levels and of complex systems. For instance, the phenomenon of life as studied in biology is an emergent property of chemistry and psychological phenomena emerge from the neurobiological phenomena of living things.

John Holland in "Hidden Order" and "Emergence" and Stuart Koffman in "At Home in the Universe" explore these concepts further. The point being that as long acid strains and other life building block components build connections, the probability of life increases dramatically to a point that it becomes almost a certainty. So it's not chance. Indeed closed systems that have energy supplied will produce complexity as a way to dissipate that energy, as required by the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. This disentropy, or complexity for free, is a foundational view of how life is created.

Sorry cannot find a small quote from them that encapsulates this thinking.