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On multiple occasions now, I have rolled pizza dough out to a circle about 14" in diameter, and then I have trouble moving it to my pan.

First of all, I roll the dough on a granite counter. Even though I sprinkle flour on the counter beforehand, the dough still ends up sticking to the counter. As I try to lift the dough off the counter, sometimes it will stretch and tear because of how stuck it is. (One time I tried rolling the dough on parchment paper, but the dough stuck to that too.)

Then after I have gotten all the dough off the counter, it is obviously too big to fit in my hands, so much of it will droop as I move it to the pan. Some parts of the dough might even fold onto itself by the time I have it in my oiled pan. Then I have to try to unfold it (nearly impossible) or flatten it out and reshape it in the pan. This results in some ugly dough that doesn't rise uniformly. One time the dough had folded onto itself so badly that it didn't seem salvageable, so I threw it out and started all over.

How can I roll my pizza dough without it sticking to the counter, and then how can I move it to my pan without it folding onto itself? (BTW, I am using a recipe that calls for 227 grams of water and 346 grams of bread flour.)

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    [If you build your pizza on parchment, you can just leave it on the parchment for cooking](https://cooking.stackexchange.com/a/111094/45339). – AMtwo May 16 '22 at 17:38
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    Stephie pointed out that this question has some differences to the question of transferring a built pizza from the counter onto a pizza stone. I will still link a question for the stone situation, since it does have useful advice. https://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/9049/transfer-pizza-onto-stone-without-sticking?noredirect=1&lq=1. – rumtscho May 16 '22 at 17:41
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    @J... and pacoverflow: The rules about recipe requests on the main site are clear. If you want to discuss recipes, please remember that we have our [chat] where this would be more than welcome and where others can chime in as well. – Stephie May 25 '22 at 05:02
  • What kind of pizza are you trying to make? Different styles require different techniques. – Popup May 31 '22 at 16:04
  • @Popup I am trying to make a pan pizza, similar to Pizza Hut. – pacoverflow May 31 '22 at 18:26

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Either your dough is too wet, or you're trying to roll it all out in one go.
You cannot get enough flour under a ball of dough to survive being rolled out to 12".

Roll it, flip it, turn it; flour it each time, under & over.

Then, assuming you don't have a specific pizza peel, then one hand & an egg/fish slice/spatula [international terminology differences, see comments] will get it into the pan in one piece. You can even get a bit cavalier & hold it like a duvet - flip into place.
Then you can start decorating it.

I can make 14" pizzas by this method; that's the size of my pans.

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    it's called a [pizza peel](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/31pAV7GlSmL._AC_SX425_.jpg) – Esther May 16 '22 at 17:42
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    Flipping and turning 90° at the same time helps it to roll out evenly; you might not need to flour at *every* flip, but you'll soon get a feel for how often you need to flour it, but frequently is better than trying to use heaps of flour to start with – Chris H May 17 '22 at 09:35
  • Rather than using a fish slice, you can use your arms as well as your hands. if the rolled dough is well floured and not sticking to the surface you can lift and edge with one hand and slide the other hand and forearm under the dough. I do this with my palm *down* as palms stick more to dough than hand-backs ime. With your hand spread you should be supporting quire a lot of the dough and can use the other hand to help keep the dough un-bunched as you move it to the pan. This is hw I move my hand-stretched dough onto a peel. – Spagirl May 17 '22 at 11:15
  • And if you don’t have a peel, there are other things that you can use, like a rimless baking sheet, a wooden cutting board, and upside down sheet pan, etc. but it’s easiest to work with something with a thing edge so that you don’t stretch it too much when you slide it off. Or just assemble and cook on parchment – Joe May 17 '22 at 13:03
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    What's an egg or fish slice? The only thing I can guess is some sort of spatula? – Catija May 17 '22 at 14:17
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    @Catija - just terminology differences. To me a spatula is flat wooden - https://i.stack.imgur.com/E6Rwp.jpg [I bang my way through several of these a year;) egg slice has a separate handle - https://i.stack.imgur.com/H19Mf.jpg I found a pic with some variants - https://i.stack.imgur.com/ihFgm.jpg 2 wok chuans, 2 egg/fish slices of various sorts, spatula [going towards being a spoon] https://i.stack.imgur.com/ihFgm.jpg – Tetsujin May 17 '22 at 17:18
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    @unlisted The term slice isn't used in the US at all as far as I know. – Catija May 17 '22 at 17:36
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    @Catija - one of very many transpondian differences. It's a wonder we can communicate at all sometimes ;) – Tetsujin May 17 '22 at 17:44
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Pizza dough will be somewhat sticky, but if it's super sticky you may want to try lowering the hydration a bit and see if it helps.

If your hydration is right then the answer is simply use more flour. When I first started making pizzas I was surprised by how much flour I had to use to keep it from sticking. Scatter a thick layer on, and if it starts to stick peel it up and put more before it really adheres.

As for moving it to the pan you use the same technique as for pastry which is rolling it around your rolling pin and then unrolling it on the pan. You could also slide the pan under, but not if it's an oiled pan. Personally I prefer to use semolina or coarse corn meal instead of oil, the grains act as miniature ball bearings and give the bottom a nice crunch.

Reading your post it does sound like your dough may be a bit fragile, make sure you are using bread flour with a high gluten content to get the strongest crust.

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First, make sure your dough is at the proper consistency. This means that you have to have developed your gluten well enough during the kneading stages, and that with the second knockback, you should have brought it back to at least somewhat elastic stage, it shouldn't be too sloppy.

When you have this, be sure that you have enough flour. "Sprinkle" is a bad word in this context; you want your counter to be covered with an even layer of flour at least 0.5 mm thick after the rolling. As Unlisted said, you will have to add flour during the rolling process.

The upper surface also needs sufficient flouring; if it didn't get enough during rolling, you can sprinkle some on top (this time actually sprinkle) and disperse it with your flat hand. This will take care of the "sticks to itself" part.

The pizza thickness is also important, start with thicker pizzas (about 1 cm) and only work down as your skill increases with experience.

When you have your nice, round, rolled 1-cm disc laying comfortably in a bed of flour, you should place the oiled pan close enough, pick it up between your thumbs and forefingers, and drape it onto the pan. I tend to pick it up at 10 and 2 o'clock, and use an initial contact point at 6 o'clock, laying it gently towards 12 o'clock.

If the dough is larger than the pan or has protrusions, make sure that the extra portions stay caught on the rim, and don't fall onto the dough in the pan. Then, after all the dough is on the pan, you can start picking up corners of the pizza close to the rim and allowing them to gently lay down towards the place where the pan wall meets the pan bottom, and either make a rolled crust or cut the dough off.

If later you are aiming at very large pans or very thin pizzas, it is worth considering the strudel method, where you use a thin rolling pin and roll the dough around it for transfer. But that won't work well with a pizza above 5 mm in thickness and/or around 30 cm in diameter.

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  • Thanks, I am relatively new to dough and pizzas, so I am not familiar with this "second knockback". The [recipe](https://www.cdkitchen.com/recipes/recs/525/Pizza_Hut_Original_Pan_Pizza41605.shtml) I am using (which I scaled down since I am only using one 14" pan) does not call for it. – pacoverflow May 17 '22 at 04:54
  • The 10-and-2 method is key, you can't support a whole pizza from underneath with your hands but you can grab it by the top-ish edges and let it hang down. – user3067860 May 19 '22 at 17:43
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Two things:

  • Use semolina instead of flour for handling sticky dough. It readily clings to the surface of the dough but does not incorporate into the dough. The crust also comes out better. You can use a lot and shake off the excess.
  • Don't roll, but stretch the dough. The texture is better and airier, and it reduces sticking even further.

For me, using these methods solved sticky dough almost completely.

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Wrap around the Rolling Pin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDyccd5qx2w

As you roll the dough, turn it several times and dust with semolina/flour/oil. This stops it sticking to the table and rolling pin. It also stops it sticking to itself. Once the dough is thin enough roll it around the rolling pin. Then unroll on the pan.

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  • Good general strategy for sticky dough, like pastry. Pizza, regardless of style, is generally not handled this way. The OP seems to be referring to more of a Neapolitan style, which is shaped and manipulated by hand, rather than being rolled. – moscafj May 18 '22 at 15:50
  • @moscafj It works for pizzas too. – Daron May 18 '22 at 16:07
  • @moscafj I would offer to send you a slice but, even though it would fit neatly into an envelope, I worry it would perish in transit. – Daron May 18 '22 at 16:08
  • This method requires a rather thin dough. Around 5 mm thickness, it becomes difficult to use. Many pizzas are thicker than that. But else, if the pizza is thin, it will indeed work. – rumtscho May 18 '22 at 17:10
  • @rumtscho Thicker dough tends to need fewer fancy tricks to handle. – Daron May 19 '22 at 18:00
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There are a few things you can do. Generally speaking, sticky dough does come out nice and delicious at the cost of being able to handle it well. You either practice handling more sticky dough by using more flour/oil/semolina and get used to it or lower the hydration level and make it more managable. I recommend the latter.

As for the very act of transporting the dough from counter top to your pan, there are 2 common options.

Shape the pizza inside your pan. This is generally a very good and highly recommended option. For that simply flatten the dough a bit, oil up your pan and proceed to push the dough into the corners of it. If the dough resists fitting into the shape, simply wait 5 minutes and continue shaping. The dough will relax and be more managable. The oil still crisps it up nicely giving you a decent crust. If you added to little dough into the pan then simply don't bother to stretching it to fit your pan.

Use a pizza peel or equivilant If you already flattend the dough on a generously floured counter, it does not have enough structual integrity to survive being pulled and held up in a rough manner. Especially if the toppings are already on it. Simply take a pizza peel and with one confident and fast move slide it underneath and transport it wherever you want. You can also use cardboard or anything thin and big enough. This relies on you having floured your countertop veeeeerrry generously when working sticky doughs.

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The dough needs to "rest". Roll it out, let it spring back, (free it from the counter if it sticks), let it sit for a few minutes, then roll again and it will roll out a little bit bigger.

(I'm learning this to too. If i could just figure out how to make it round without cutting it into a circle, lol.)

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Full disclaimer: I'm very much not an expert.

My method is apply liberal amounts of olive oil to my hands, before picking up (or breaking off) a dough-ball. So I don't re-flour my dough, or the bench.

Instead of rolling, I push the dough into place with the "fat bit" of my palm (the heel?) and then finish stretching by repeatedly poking with my fingertips. Sometimes I pick the half-formed dough up and allow it to stretch a little under gravity, off balled "blunt" fists.

Once it's heading towards target size, I then put it onto the final tray (or just some baking paper) before any final tweaks to the geometry. With enough delicious olive oil, it never sticks to anything.

I'll only do this with pizza dough, not pasta. Pasta dough gets lots of surface flour - but others have covered this technique well already.

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I have a neat rolling gadget, basically a nine inch tapered dowel, so I can roll in the pan itself. I'm not sure where I bought it.

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Here's another way: roll it out on a floured (non-terry) cotton dishcloth, flipping it over and re-flouring lightly but frequently. When it's the right size, re-flour lightly and fold it twice -- in quarters, or wrap it around your rolling pin.

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There seems to be a lot of confusion here, including people who use pans for pizza. While deep dish pizza is a thing (and can be very good!), I believe that the OP want to make something closer to Neapolitan pizza, where the pizza goes straight onto the (stone or metal) bottom of the oven (or pizza stone).

Nathan Myhrvold, in his seminal 'Modernist Pizza' has a couple of thought on this. One key idea is to use a lot of flour (or even better, semolina) on the work surface, the first couple of times. Another is to use a slotted pizza peel, which makes (some) of this extra flour come off, when you pick up the pizza. The most important aspect, however, is to work fast! Once you have spread out the dough, you should be quick. If possible, put it in the oven (on a pizza stone, or in a real pizza oven) within 30 seconds. This takes some practice, but if you have all your topping ingredients ready it's possible. You can also build your pizza on the peel, but that works less well on a slotted peel, as it can get stuck.

Another cheaty trick is to build the pizza on baking parchment. You don't get quite the same crunchy base, but it's much easier!

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